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Taq
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Message 256 of 311 (670371)
08-13-2012 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 255 by nwr
08-13-2012 11:09 AM


Re: A clear choice
With Romney's selection of Ryan, we now see a stark contrast between two very different visions for America.
Indeed. With Ryan as the VP candidate I think Romney just lost Florida. Given the high number of Florida voters that rely on SS and Medicare I can't imagine that they will win over independent voters, or energize the Republican base, when your veep wants to gut those very programs.

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Message 257 of 311 (670372)
08-13-2012 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by Buzsaw
08-13-2012 5:08 AM


Re: Gotta Be Woeful Ignorance.
Buzsaw writes:
It's like if they were Jews in Germany and could easily know that they were supporting the own demise and all of the blessings whcih they have in the most blessed nation in history.
Comparing Obama to Hitler is one of the stupidest and/or most disgusting things I've ever seen you do.

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Message 258 of 311 (670373)
08-13-2012 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by Dr Adequate
08-13-2012 1:44 AM


Re: Electoral College Reform
t's possible for states to sign legally binding treaties with one another. What exactly would happen if one of them reneged on such a treaty I don't know, but I do know that they can do it.
That's my point.
Currently a sizable number of states, many of them red states, do not even attempt to bind their delegates to voting as per the state election results. No one has ever been punished for failing to do so.
The Electoral College
quote:
There is no federal law or constitutional provision requiring electors to vote for the party that nominated them, and over the years a number of electors have voted against the instructions of the voters. The most recent example of a faithless elector was probably an accident: in 2008, a Minnesota elector nominated by the Democratic party cast a ballot for John Edwards, the vice presidential running mate of John Kerry. It is not common for an elector to vote for the other party's candidate, however: remember that most electors are selected by the political party for their party loyalty, and many are party leaders. The last time an elector crossed party lines was in 1972, when an elector nominated by the Republican party cast his ballot for the Libertarian ticket.
Some states have passed laws that require their electors to vote as pledged. These laws may either impose a fine on an elector who fails to vote according to the statewide or district popular vote, or may disqualify an elector who violates his or her pledge and provide a replacement elector. None of these laws have been implemented -- no elector has ever been penalized or replaced -- nor have they been fully vetted by the courts.
State signs binding agreement; State elector votes for the Libertarian candidate instead of Romney, and state does .... ????

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The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison

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NoNukes
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Message 259 of 311 (670374)
08-13-2012 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by Buzsaw
08-13-2012 5:08 AM


Re: Gotta Be Woeful Ignorance.
It's like if they were Jews in Germany and could easily ...
Gratuitous Hitler reference noted. Godwin vindicated again.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison

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Message 260 of 311 (670379)
08-13-2012 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by Buzsaw
08-13-2012 5:08 AM


Re: Gotta Be Woeful Ignorance.
What amazes me is how a board of such intelligent sheeple can remain in such utter ignorance of the despot that they are supporting.
It's like if they were Jews in Germany and could easily know that they were supporting the own demise and all of the blessings whcih they have in the most blessed nation in history.
No wonder they can besieve in such wild magic as the BB an evolution.
Well said Buz. Those dumb Jews
- Oni

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Buzsaw
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Message 261 of 311 (670386)
08-13-2012 7:28 PM
Reply to: Message 259 by NoNukes
08-13-2012 2:22 PM


Re: Gotta Be Woeful Ignorance.
?????

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anglagard
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Message 262 of 311 (670388)
08-13-2012 8:05 PM
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08-13-2012 7:28 PM


Re: Gotta Be Woeful Ignorance.
Good ol' Buzsaw.
Been here over nine years and never heard of Godwin's Law.
You know you could always click on the link above, it's not a satanic spellchecker.
Love the thread subtitle, how appropriate.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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Dr Adequate
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Message 263 of 311 (670389)
08-13-2012 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by Buzsaw
08-13-2012 5:08 AM


Re: Gotta Be Woeful Ignorance.
What amazes me is how a board of such intelligent sheeple can remain in such utter ignorance of the despot that they are supporting.
Obama's despotism score ...
Elections suspended: 0
Political opponents shot: 0
Times martial law declared: 0
Political organizations banned: 0
Hostile news outlets shut down: 0
Killing fields: 0
Re-education camps: 0
Total despotism score: 0
It's like if they were Jews in Germany ...
My being-like-a-Jew-in-Nazi-Germany score:
Times I've been arrested under the Nuremberg Laws: 0
Little yellow stars I've been forced to wear: 0
Concentration camps I've been sent to: 0
Times I've been murdered: 0
Total being-like-a-Jew-in-Nazi-Germany score: 0

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Coragyps
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Message 264 of 311 (670391)
08-13-2012 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 261 by Buzsaw
08-13-2012 7:28 PM


Re: Gotta Be Woeful Ignorance.
Examples of despotic rule, please, Buz.
Not examples of too-dark-skinned presidents. Despotic presidents is what you need to show.

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RAZD
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Message 265 of 311 (670392)
08-13-2012 10:22 PM


analysis
A Risky Rationale Behind Romney's Choice of Ryan - The New York Times
quote:
When is it rational to take a big risk?
When the status quo isn’t proceeding in a way that you feel is favorable. When you have less to lose. When you need pardon the clich, but it’s appropriate here a game change.
When a prudent candidate like Mitt Romney picks someone like Representative Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin as his running mate, it suggests that he felt he held a losing position against President Obama. The theme that Mr. Romney’s campaign has emphasized for months and months that the president has failed as an economic leader may have persuaded 47 or 48 or 49 percent of voters to back him, he seems to have concluded. But not 50.1 percent of them, and not enough for Mr. Romney to secure 270 electoral votes.
That reading may be correct. National polls tell different stories about the state of the race but most have Mr. Obama ahead. Polls of swing states have been a bit more consistent. In states like Ohio, Mr. Obama’s lead has been small but it has been steady and stubborn.
AND he likely has just lost the state of Florida.
It should also be a good year for democrat candidates across the board to now run against the "rAYN" budget and to save Medicare ...
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Message 266 of 311 (670404)
08-14-2012 2:50 AM
Reply to: Message 227 by foreveryoung
08-12-2012 10:01 AM


Out of context, the Bible says "there is no God"
There is nothing lying about that ad. Everyone who isn't brainwashed knows obama believes exactly that....people who are successful did not achieve that success on their own merits.
quote:
Yes, it is true. The sentence There is no God appears in the Bible. In fact, the words appear twice. They can be found in Psalms 14:1 and Psalms 53:1.
But (and this is a very big ‘but’), look up these verses and you will find that the complete text reads: ‘The fool says in his heart, There is no God.’
In other words, it is vital to read Bible verses in context.
Source
Also Isaiah 45:5
quote:
...there is no God...
which is part of:
quote:
I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me.
Source
There's nothing lying about that quote mine - Everyone who isn't brainwashed (by the surrounding text) knows that the Bible says there is no God.
Must read in context of the larger message.
Moose
Edited by Minnemooseus, : Neglected/forgot to put in second link.

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Buzsaw
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Message 267 of 311 (670409)
08-14-2012 7:25 AM
Reply to: Message 222 by RAZD
08-12-2012 8:45 AM


Re: Ryan Good; Very Good ... for Democrats
The differences in the two barrels of this team is as follows:
The above are some examples. There are more.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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Message 268 of 311 (670410)
08-14-2012 8:00 AM
Reply to: Message 267 by Buzsaw
08-14-2012 7:25 AM


Re: Ryan Good; Very Good ... for Democrats
So what you're saying is that you think Ryan will make Romney not appear to suck as bad as he actually does?
I don't buy it. Especially since most of the things on your list are just bullshit.
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

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Message 269 of 311 (670411)
08-14-2012 8:11 AM
Reply to: Message 267 by Buzsaw
08-14-2012 7:25 AM


Re: Ryan Good; Very Good ... for Democrats
Buzsaw writes:
The differences in the two barrels of this team is as follows:
Hmmm...going by your past record of not being able to get anything right...let's look:
Buzsaw writes:
1. Romney is wealthy. Ryan is not.
quote:
Mitt Romney’s newly announced running mate reported assets in the range of $2 million to $7.7 million. The largest was the interest that his wife, Janna, holds in a trust resulting from the 2010 death of her mother, Prudence Little. Her interest in the trust falls in the range of $1 million to $5 million, Ryan reported.
Ryan also reported investment income that, along with a distribution from the inheritance, supplemented his $174,000 congressional salary — somewhere between $168,000 and $1.2 million.
It looks like this is another "Buzsaw makes up shit" post.

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anglagard
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Message 270 of 311 (670412)
08-14-2012 8:40 AM
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08-14-2012 7:25 AM


Re: Ryan Good; Very Good ... for Democrats
Buzsaw writes:
Ryan's education is far above Romney.
I guess you are not referring to formal education.
From the respective wiki's:
quote:
Ryan was awarded his B.A. in 1992 with a double major in economics and political science.
Whereas in regard to Romney:
quote:
He earned a Bachelor of Arts in English with highest honors in 1971,[45] and gave commencement addresses to both the College of Humanities and to the whole of BYU.
quote:
Thus he became one of only fifteen students to enroll at the recently created joint Juris Doctor/Master of Business Administration four-year program coordinated between Harvard Law School and Harvard Business School.
quote:
He graduated in 1975 cum laude from the law school, in the top third of that class, and was named a Baker Scholar for graduating in the top five percent of his business school class.
So, Ryan has one BA with a double major in economics and political science while Romney has a BA, an MBA, and a JD.
Oops.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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