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Author Topic:   New Human Fossils found
Heathen
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Message 14 of 31 (670346)
08-13-2012 5:07 AM


General question here from a non geneticist/biologist/archaeologist/palaeontologist.
So they find a skull or a group of skulls that do not conform to our understanding of H. sapiens or other known hominids.
At what point and how do they decide that this represents a new species, and not a single or group of deformed H. sapiens?
Is it possible that this "new" species could be the remains of some kind of deformed or mutated already-known type?
Genuinely interested to know how they decide this given the scarcity of these specimens.

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Heathen
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Message 17 of 31 (670406)
08-14-2012 5:07 AM
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Hmm.. ok.. that doesn't really enlighten me much..
So.. From this Story:
New human species identified from Kenya fossils - BBC News
"Anthropologists have discovered three human fossils that are between 1.78 and 1.95 million years old. The specimens are of a face and two jawbones with teeth. "
how does the use of Multivariate statistics indicate that this is a new species and not just 3 individuals with physical deformities?

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Message 26 of 31 (670546)
08-16-2012 9:02 AM
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08-14-2012 9:48 AM


That doesn't seem to explain how three pieces of bone could be confirmed as an entirely separate species and not just an aberration in a single, or handful of individuals.

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Message 28 of 31 (670566)
08-16-2012 10:36 AM
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08-16-2012 9:04 AM


I guess I don't see how that method can apply to a sample of 3 bones.
Genuinely trying to find out how this was deemed to be a new species.

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