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Author Topic:   Big Bang is Not a Problem for a Creationist
joshua221 
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Message 16 of 22 (66800)
11-16-2003 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by DavidPryor
11-13-2003 5:03 PM


Hey David, many christians I know tell me that the Big Bang supports a creator. That may be the case but the big bang does not support the creator that made man in his own image out of dust, Adam and Eve. Many people contort and warp the Bible to fit the Big Bang theory. Replacing the 6 days with millions of years, The Gap theory.
Also a tip, you are going to be run over if you do not reply, or back up your beliefs with what you may think is evidence. As a creationist I can tell you that evidence is hard to come by. Faith is what we have to believe in God and his teachings.
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Message 17 of 22 (66815)
11-16-2003 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Thomas2
11-16-2003 8:18 AM


How would you define it as a "creationist" theory?
Certainly if you want to say "God did it" then no one can prove otherwise (right now). It offers and apparent moment of "creation" I guess.
However, did creation "scientists" predict the nature of the universe? Did they do the calculations to determine that it predicts the relative abundance of the elements left over? Did they determine the Hubble constant? No, I wouldn't call a theory of science borrowed by the church a "creationist" idea?

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Message 18 of 22 (66821)
11-16-2003 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by joshua221
11-16-2003 9:27 AM


The big bang theory does not say anything against a creator that made the universe and man in any way he pleases. It simply says some things about how he went about it.
It is unfortunate that some "warp the Bible" trying to make it into a science book. As you say Christianity is a matter of faith not science. If you try to make it into something else or try to have it both ways you loose it all.

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Thomas2
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Message 19 of 22 (66846)
11-16-2003 12:51 PM
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11-16-2003 10:01 AM


Well, the similarities between the idea of God or the Big-Bang having created the universe are obvious: both assume a given point in time where the world was created and beyond which it makes no sense to ask any further rational questions. So it is understandable if Creationists are comfortable with the Big-Bang theory. They would be much more challenged by a universe that has no beginning and no end.
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Chiroptera
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Message 20 of 22 (66855)
11-16-2003 1:03 PM
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11-16-2003 9:27 AM


Hi, Iron Man. This isn't any of my business, being an atheist and all, but....
When God created human kind in her image, she didn't necessarily mean that we all look like her, and all, yes? It has to do with intellect, and moral knowledge, yes? So maybe she did the Big Bang thing billions of years ago knowing that the laws of physics were such that eventually, at some time intelligent, moral people would eventually come onto the scene.

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Message 21 of 22 (66860)
11-16-2003 1:14 PM
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11-16-2003 12:51 PM


Well, I'm glad that creationists can be comfortable with the big bang theory as it now stands. I still think that to call it a "creationsist" theory is a bit disingenuous though.
Given your explanation of an appropriate viewpoint it is hard to understand why so many creationists have a problem with it then.

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Message 22 of 22 (67100)
11-17-2003 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Brian
11-13-2003 5:07 PM


I knew you could do it!

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