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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Like the current crop of Republicans it seems you do not want to be subject to fact checking.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Artemis Entreri  Suspended Member (Idle past 4228 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: |
really? how have they changed?
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, a Catholic Democrat was elected president.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Taq Member Posts: 9970 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
really? how have they changed?
Before JFK was elected many doubted that he would be elected because catholicism was seen as heretical by the religious right. Now we have the religious right questioning the religiosity of a candidate because he didn't immediately add a catholic leader as one of his speakers. That just seems like a complete about face over the last 50 years.
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Artemis Entreri  Suspended Member (Idle past 4228 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: |
Before JFK was elected many doubted that he would be elected because catholicism was seen as heretical by the religious right. Now we have the religious right questioning the religiosity of a candidate because he didn't immediately add a catholic leader as one of his speakers. That just seems like a complete about face over the last 50 years. that is not the reason at all, but I understand the "game" of this website now, it just took me a couple of weeks. I would prefer to not play it. I know if I disagree with you I will be called names, and my words will be misrepresented and taken out of context against me. none of this will be noticed by the Admin, and then when I retaliate I will get into trouble because the Admin are in on the silly Charade of EvC. I'll lurk and post occasionally, but I am pretty much finished with active participation on this dishonest and false website. have a great day.
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And hopefully in my lifetime we will see an openly Atheist, Muslim or Jewish President.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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The irony is strong in this one.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own. George Bernard Shaw
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Taq Member Posts: 9970 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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And hopefully in my lifetime we will see an openly Atheist, Muslim or Jewish President.
Quite frankly, I am surprised that a Mormon candidate did so well. The Mormons were chased out of many midwestern states, and now a Mormon candidate for president is poised to win in some of those states. It would appear that people are becoming more tolerant of finer theological beliefs as long as views on other social issues align. It wouldn't surprise me if an anti-abortion, small government, anti-taxation on the rich, atheist Republican did well in a Republican primary. I think the Republican party is more secular than even the Republicans want to admit. It is no longer based on christian values. It is based on the rich getting richer which really doesn't sound like christian theology to me. As Choaticskunk is showing, it really doesn't matter what Obama does. He will always claim that Obama is not good enough for him no matter what. Obama is evil if he doesn't let the Cardinal speak. Obama is evil if he does let the Cardinal speak. Go figure.
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Taq Member Posts: 9970 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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I know if I disagree with you I will be called names, and my words will be misrepresented and taken out of context against me. none of this will be noticed by the Admin, and then when I retaliate I will get into trouble because the Admin are in on the silly Charade of EvC.
I think you just described the Republican political strategy to a T. It doesn't matter if Obama lets the Cardinal speak or not. Either way, you will call Obama whatever epithet is popular amongst the religious right this week.
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Taq Member Posts: 9970 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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I think Obama has done a good job of framing the debate going forward. Do you want to go with the Republican strategy of letting rich people hold onto even more money in hopes that they will use this extra money to create jobs while getting rid of social programs that protect the middle class? Or do you want to strengthen the social safety nets and increase the taxes on the most wealthy?
Unfortunately, I have a feeling that the Republicans will want to reframe this debate into a long list of non-issues like the one that ChoaticSkunk brought forward. Instead of focusing on how to fix the national debt, healthcare, Medicare, Social Security, and defense spending we will instead spend time on discussing why Obama did not okay a catholic speaker in what Republicans consider a necessary time schedule. Will the public keep falling for this bait and switch, dog and pony show that the Republicans put on each 4 years. It would appear so, sadly.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Door. Ass. Don't let them hit. You might hurt the door.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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AdminModulous Administrator Posts: 897 Joined: |
I know if I disagree with you I will be called names, and my words will be misrepresented and taken out of context against me. none of this will be noticed by the Admin, and then when I retaliate I will get into trouble because the Admin are in on the silly Charade of EvC. You can avoid the getting into trouble part by not retaliating and instead alerting the moderators to someone that is calling you names or causing other discussion problems. We're not all-seeing, and we have our biases - we accept such frailties and ask the membership to put some effort into helping keep discussion civil. You, chaoticskunk, have posted one message in Report Discussion Problems Here 3.0, it was Message 642. You reported Theodoric. He was warned, and then he apologized. It seems for you, the system worked. But now, instead of using the system, you just condemn it. If you think someone else is being problematic, you could still alert the moderators (preferably with links to the most obvious examples of the problem), rather than getting upset at the moderators for not noticing the problem (or in this case, getting upset that the moderators will at some time in the future, fail to notice a problem until you retaliate).
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Quite frankly, I am surprised that a Mormon candidate did so well. The Mormons were chased out of many midwestern states, and now a Mormon candidate for president is poised to win in some of those states. It would appear that people are becoming more tolerant of finer theological beliefs as long as views on other social issues align. I think a Mormon candidate was an unintentional result of the rebranding of beliefs that American politics underwent. In order to get the various Protestants and Catholics under one tent, they started calling themselves 'Christian'. There's an article by Penn Jillette that argues that it was Roe vs Wade that served as the catalyst for the rebranding. I assume, if it was conscious at all, including the Mormons wasn't really considered at the time. But now that they're all Christian, they have difficulty rebutting Romney's claim to the name without causing further divisions to form by the same arguments.
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Artemis Entreri  Suspended Member (Idle past 4228 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: |
You can avoid the getting into trouble part by not retaliating and instead alerting the moderators to someone that is calling you names or causing other discussion problems. We're not all-seeing, and we have our biases - we accept such frailties and ask the membership to put some effort into helping keep discussion civil. I am sorry but to me that is a total bitch move. and there aint no bitch in me, I feel like its your job as Admin to Administer the site (I am not a rat nor a snitch). But from reading the public record forum it just seems like the Admins are part of the whole thing; I do not find them to be very objective. Hence the charade. I am just glad I figured this cleverly disguised liberal flame site as soon as I did, instead believing the lie.
You, chaoticskunk, have posted one message in Report Discussion Problems Here 3.0, it was Message 642. You reported Theodoric. He was warned, and then he apologized. It seems for you, the system worked. I felt bad about that, it was more of an inquiry as I was really new and trying to figure out if name calling was allowed here on your debate site, for I had never had one interaction with Theodoric and he comes out of left field accusing me and attacking me, and being insulting. I was really wondering if I could tell him off or if his actions were allowed around here.
But now, instead of using the system, you just condemn it. If you think someone else is being problematic, you could still alert the moderators (preferably with links to the most obvious examples of the problem), rather than getting upset at the moderators for not noticing the problem (or in this case, getting upset that the moderators will at some time in the future, fail to notice a problem until you retaliate). I am by no means upset. Disappointed maybe (I thought I found a good debate site), but not upset and surly not at the moderators (when you say mods do you mean admin, for I have seen no mods). All I am trying to say is I get it. I see this site for what it really is:One person has an opinion that is not radical left. Five or more people dogpile ontop of that person, accusing them of various things they never stated, insinuating many things (straw manning), and pilling up the responses. While another group of 3-5 people just make snide snarky remarks, in ALMOST every thread. For example take Jar and click his name, and look at the last 10 -20 posts he has made.are any of them adding to the debate? Are any of them more than two lines of text (my reply to you is probably equal to the trolls that run rampant here, last 3-5 posts added together) or even 50 words? He is not alone (anyone who posts here or lurks knows who adds and who talks smack all day long); unfortunately there is no ignore button and I can’t ignore the trolls (something in my brain auto reads texts when my eyes see it). I was trying to figure out why there is the huge site with many forums and there are rarely more than 10-15 people on at any given time, and why there are many forums who only have one thread active in them and why the next thread is from last year. I wanted to see why a site like this that looks like it has so much potential, is so stagnant. I think I figured it out. I think this is a flame-site that is run as a charade of this debate style with a topic that is only supported by one side. I mean you have people like Buzzsaw who aren’t even allow to post in science forums (talk about silencing the opposition so no one can disagree with you). Take Foreveryoung, he was permanently banned for sticking up for himself, and un permanently banned probably because there was no one else in the opposition. I think this is a fairly poorly run site, that is about ran into the ground, and I can see why. (I am sure I will be edited and then banned for speaking the truth) As a new and observant member, who doesn’t know the community (of 15+) and doesn’t have the history and built up biases, I am speaking only in terms of observable evidence that I have seen and read in the past 6 weeks (though one can go back and read about the decline of this site over the years). Let the trash talking and straw-manning about me commence. You seem like a decent person so I wanted to answer you instead of trying to ignore you with the rest of the trolls/flamers/smack talkers. Back to lurking
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1024 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
Quite frankly, I am surprised that a Mormon candidate did so well. The Mormons were chased out of many midwestern states, and now a Mormon candidate for president is poised to win in some of those states. It would appear that people are becoming more tolerant of finer theological beliefs as long as views on other social issues align. It wouldn't surprise me if an anti-abortion, small government, anti-taxation on the rich, atheist Republican did well in a Republican primary. I think the Republican party is more secular than even the Republicans want to admit. It is no longer based on christian values. It is based on the rich getting richer which really doesn't sound like christian theology to me. Any big political party is made up of a variety of different ideological strands. This is especially true in the US, where people who'd rather be running as a Libertarian or a Green join the Democrats or Republicans because they know they have no chance on the national stage otherwise. The religious right may be one of the most vocal and noticeable parts of the Republican party nowadays, but it's also the party you join if your political hero is Ayn Rand - one of the most militant atheists the right has ever produced.
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