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dwise1 Member Posts: 5951 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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. . . of the Republican party nowadays, but it's also the party you join if your political hero is Ayn Rand - one of the most militant atheists the right has ever produced. Such as Paul Ryan? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_ryan:
quote: Ryan rejected Rand's philosophy as an atheistic one, saying it reduces human interactions down to mere contracts. He also called the reports of his adherence to Rand's views an urban legend' and stated that he was deeply influenced by his Roman Catholic faith and by Thomas Aquinas." Yeah, right! (ha-ha-ha!)
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5951 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Refusing to pay for a war and then refusing to tax the rich who had profited from that war and expecting the middle class to bear the brunt of the cost. That is the Republican plan. It has been tried before. By the Weimar Republic, formed in the destruction of the German Empire (das Zweite Reich) at the end of WWI, in which ruinous inflation completely destroyed the German economy and German's middle class. Which laid the road for Hitler and the National Socialists (AKA "Nazis") to come to power.
Here is what an English historian had to say in 1946:
quote: In 1946! This has all happened before and it will all happen again. Unless we stop it! Edited by dwise1, : "historian", not "history
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subbie Member (Idle past 1282 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Paul Ryan's Speech in Three Words
Those three words; dazzling, deceiving and distracting.Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
A few more words
quote: Ouch. Paul Ryan’s speech in 3 words | Fox News But Sally Kohn is no a female version of Glen Beck. Here is her blog. http://sallykohn.com/ Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own. George Bernard Shaw
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subbie Member (Idle past 1282 days) Posts: 3509 Joined:
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Oh, I'm under no disillusions about Faux News doing any kind of about face. But it is good for a few lolz.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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What is worse his original marathon lie or his lameass lying backpedal?
Ryan told radio host Hugh Hewitt he had run a "two hour and fifty-something" marathon. Lets look at the transcript. Mr Ryan is intimating that he has run multiple marathons. This we know is not true. He ran one marathon. The Grandma's marathon in Duluth, MN in 1990. His time was nothing close to 2 hours and 50 something. That would be an elite runner time. His time was 4 hours and 1 minute. Now here is his explanation for his mistake.
quote: Maybe that explains why his budget and economic ideas are complete trainwrecks. He obviously has no idea how to round or even what the concept means. Lying is natural for him and evidently in the past the lying has been risk free. Why would someone make such a blatant easily researched lie unless they feel they are never going to be held accountable. All the other lies of the Romney/Ryan campaign have slid right by. This one may resonate with the American people because it is so obvious and so egregious. Also, it is something people can relate to and see. 4 hours and 1 minute is nowhere near 3 hours 50 something. Their assumption of the stupidity of the American people may have gone one lie too far.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Jon Inactive Member
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Their assumption of the stupidity of the American people may have gone one lie too far. It's not so much the stupidity of the American people (though there's plenty of that). Rather, it's the American people's disinterest in holding any of its public servants accountable that allows folk like Romney to skate by with one lie right after the other, always unchecked and often encouraged. Of course, the time taken to run a marathon is about as insignificant as whether a president is having extramarital affairs. So I can't see how this is such a big issue for you... Edited by Jon, : No reason given.Love your enemies!
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Perhaps these numbers will provide some perspective.
quote: Some amount of "puffing" is expected from politicians, but what on earth would motivate Ryan to spew out a lie about something like this? What would he say if I asked him how much he benched? If your staff had vetted this man, would not such a lie cause you to call the vetting squad back in?Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own. George Bernard Shaw
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Lying can be a very important skill for a President, but it needs to be done well.
The examples in this thread raise questions that I think are significant. Does Ryan know he lied, does he have the intelligence to understand when lying is appropriate and to lie convincingly, or is he simply relying on the ingrained traits of today's CCoI and Republicans to accept based on Source rather than question the Content?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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Big issue? Do you even read what people post?
The premise of the post is that not only is he willing to lie he is willing to lie in order to explain the previous lie. The other point is that a simple lie like this may resonate with the American public more than the lies he and Romney have made about policy and economic issues.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Jon Inactive Member |
The issue is how long it took to run a marathon.
I really don't care how many lies on top of lies are told about something like that; it is just not an important enough issue to warrant my attention. That it might resonate with the American people is only a sad fact that speaks to the gullibility of those people who are more interested in a candidate's running times than his political and economic policies.Love your enemies!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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speaks to the gullibility of those people who are more interested in a candidate's running times But that is not the issue is it? That you seem to think that the running times are the issue is kind of astounding to me. It is the ease of lying and the seeming culture of lying he is coming from that is the issue.That he is willing to and thinks it is ok to blatantly lie about something so innocuous speaks volumes. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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Maybe Paul Krugman can explain it to you.
quote: It ain't about marathon times.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Jon Inactive Member |
It is the ease of lying and the seeming culture of lying he is coming from that is the issue. But you haven't demonstrated a 'culture of lying' with your citation of a single event about which Ryan has told a few lies. If you want to show that there is a culture of lying, then show some other lies. And if you present some lies about things that actually matter, I might see some reason to care about Mr. Ryan's lying. Your Message 88 does bring up some important 'lies', but that's not the stuff your panties got bunched up over in Message 81. I can't understand why in the hell this marathon thing is such a big deal for you. Don't all the other lies suffice in demonstrating a 'culture of lying'? Aren't all those other lies more important? Why so much fuss over Ryan's claims about how long it took him to run a marathon?
That he is willing to and thinks it is ok to blatantly lie about something so innocuous speaks volumes. You know what a 'fish tale' is, right?Love your enemies!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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You seem to just want to start a flame war and be contrary so I will just let you have your little hissy fit, ok.
It would take you all five minute to research Ryan and lies. There is a thing called google.
quote:Romney ignored warnings about Ryan’s history of lies, exaggerations How about Romneys 533 lies in 30 weeks.
If you want to show that there is a culture of lying, then show some other lies. And if you present some lies about things that actually matter, I might see some reason to care about Mr. Ryan's lying. When I post information here I expect people have basic knowledge of reality and what is happening in the world around them. You might want to examine this subject critically and actually look up some information yourself.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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