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Message 157 of 222 (624369)
07-17-2011 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by bluegenes
07-17-2011 5:42 AM


evasion and equivocation
now reply to The lack of evidence continues ... (Message 151) with evidence.

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Message 158 of 222 (624370)
07-17-2011 3:44 PM
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07-17-2011 5:42 AM


equivocation and evasion
now reply to Testing an hypothesis: (Message 152) with your methodology for testing your conjecture

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Message 159 of 222 (624371)
07-17-2011 3:49 PM
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07-17-2011 5:42 AM


equivocation and evasion
now reply to Circular Argument & Begging the Question Logical Fallacies (Message 153) with proper logic to show that your conjecture is something more than wishful thinking and confirmation bias and based on circular reasoning.

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Message 160 of 222 (624372)
07-17-2011 3:54 PM
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07-17-2011 5:42 AM


evasion and equivocation
now reply to Concepts of reality and falsification tests ... (Message 154), either affirming that you mean concepts (and thus that your supposed conjecture is then a meaningless tautology), or that you really did mean to talk about supernatural beings (as you originally stated).

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Message 163 of 222 (670931)
08-21-2012 8:05 AM


false expectations and blind spots ... and Guernica
bluegenes is once again asserting that he has a theory, yet at the same time he is now arguing that an hypothesis on another thread is no good because it does not predict singular outcomes from the evidence available, one of my arguments against his still unsupported assertions here to the contrary.

Not a single supernatural being has been demonstrated to be a product of human imagination, not a single methodology of being able to test for supernatural presence has been developed.

He has unrealistic expectations here about the information conveyed in myths and legends, expecting them to have scientific precise information about reality, and then claims they are falsified by actual objective empirical evidence of reality.

From preliterate societies that do not have a scientific approach to information.

This is irrational, and is a result of cognitive dissonance in looking at the nonconforming information in an unbiased and dispassionate manner. see Cognitive Dissonance and Cultural Beliefs for more, and Message 20 in particular.

Examples of his cognitive dissonant behavior is in Message 161:

I was unwisely assuming at least a Junior High School level knowledge of modern science on your part. I won't make the same mistake again.

BTW, is there a giant turtle holding up the earth, in your opinion? Or is she verified as an imaginary SB?

Such societies typically use spiritual and symbolic language to convey concepts and ideas, methods that are not scientifically precise, but still capable of carrying important information about reality. It is important to understand how this works before dismissing it out of hand as bluegenes does (confirmation bias, blind-spot, dtc etc etc).

As an example of what I mean I give you one word:

Guernica

Enjoy

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Message 165 of 222 (671045)
08-21-2012 8:04 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by bluegenes
08-21-2012 9:34 AM


Re: false expectations and blind spots ... and Guernica
Predictably you missed the point because it is in your blind-spot. Let's try again:

As an example of what I mean I give you one word:

Guernica

And you continue to display the behavior associated with cognitive dissonance.

Enjoy.

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Message 167 of 222 (671891)
08-31-2012 6:51 AM
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08-24-2012 7:11 AM


Try again: Guernica
Hi bluegenes,

I'll expect you to support that claim on your cognitive dissonance thread.

Try again: Guernica.

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Message 170 of 222 (671934)
08-31-2012 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by bluegenes
08-31-2012 3:27 PM


Re: Try again: Guernica
and try again

Guernica

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Message 173 of 222 (671941)
08-31-2012 7:33 PM
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08-31-2012 5:09 PM


And Try again: Guernica
Hi bluegenes,

Still failing to get the point here. Perhaps I can help with an easy step in the process:

What does "Guernica" mean to you?

Enjoy.

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Message 175 of 222 (671989)
09-01-2012 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by bluegenes
09-01-2012 5:36 AM


Re: And Try again: Guernica
Hi bluegenes

Still dodging or not getting the point.

If you don't understand my argument then you are not debating against my argument but against your misconception\false conception of the argument.

As for your question, it would be difficult to answer even in a 10,000 word essay.

Give it a try.

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Message 177 of 222 (671999)
09-01-2012 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by bluegenes
09-01-2012 2:28 PM


Still no Guernica
Hi bluegenes,

Thanks for making one of my points: inability to grasp what I am talking about.

Curiously, I note that you still seem to be unwilling or unable to post what Guernica means to you ...

... a rather simple thing, but something you need to do before we can move on to the next step.

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Message 179 of 222 (672005)
09-01-2012 4:09 PM
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09-01-2012 4:06 PM


Still avoiding Guernica
Hi bluegenes

Thanks for making one of my points: inability to express what your talking about.

Amusingly, I need you to talk about Guernica before we can move on to the point.

All you are doing is delaying.

What is Guernica?

Simple question.

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Message 181 of 222 (672008)
09-01-2012 4:41 PM
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09-01-2012 4:33 PM


Re: Still avoiding Guernica,
Hi bluegenes

Connect Guernica to the topic of the thread, and try to do so lucidly.

I will ... when you answer the question

What is Guernica?

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Message 183 of 222 (672013)
09-01-2012 5:50 PM
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09-01-2012 5:06 PM


Re: Still avoiding Guernica, indeed, but not the topic of the thread
Hi bluegenes

Google is your friend.

Curiously, Google doesn't tell me what you think about it.

You realize that issue avoidance is a symptom.

What is Guernica?

Enjoy.

You don't know it's off topic until you answer and we can move on.

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Message 185 of 222 (672019)
09-01-2012 6:27 PM
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09-01-2012 6:19 PM


avoidance again -- what is Guernica
Hi bluegenes,

One has to wonder why such sever and persistent avoidance reaction to a simple question, why the avoidance for so many posts: you reply by you don't answer the question ... and your replies are just (another) continuous attempts to shift the conversation to something (anything) else ...

"What is Guernica" is a simple question, and should be easy to answer.

Or is something blocking you from answering?

Curious.

Enjoy


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