"In the end there must have been a creator"

There are lots of people who are willing to accept that everything in this universe is "governed" by the laws of physics and that it all began on a very small and simple scale. "But," they say, "I won't accept it that something comes from nothing; in the end there must have been a creator."Aside from the fact that this theory only raises more questions such as how did the creator came into existence, it also doesn't really make the creator very powerful. He only had to "pull the switch" which would "start off" the universe. From that point on everything would only follow the laws of physics and the universe became more and more complicated. So if that's the creator you believe exists, you might as well ignore him and get on with your life.

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Originally posted by LudvanB:

Really?...i happen to believe that the creator who can determine all the laws before hand,spark the light and watch the universe unfold exactly according to IT's plans is a hellavulot more "powerfull",not to mention wiser than the creator who's a complete control freak and throws a hissy fit when things dont turn out exactly the way he plans them...

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So I take it you are not a Christian? Anyway, the supposed creator didn't necessarrily saw it's universe unfold exactly according to IT's plans. The world could have been different when the universe was recreated. Like shuffling a deck of cards: everytime they follow the lawas of physics, but which cards show up are just a matter of chance, and (almost) every time different. So there is no indication the creator had "plans."

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Originally posted by Cobra_snake:
I believe that the Laws of Thermodynamics state:

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1st Law: The total amount of mass-energy in the universe is constant.

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2nd Law: The amount of energy available for work is running out, or entropy is increasing to a maximum.

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So I think that there is good evidence that the universe had a beginning, and that an eternal oscillating universe does not seem very feasible.

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Here we go with the second law of thermodynamics again. That lawy states that in a closed system entropy will increase. The earth is per definition not a closed system. Have you ever seen the sun in the sky? Well, that's input of energy.Here's a quote from Dawkins:"'Dollo's Law' states that evolution is irreversible. This is often confused with a lot of idealistic nonsense about the inevitability of progress, often coupled with ignorant nonsense about evolution 'violating the Second Law of Thermodynamics' (those that belong to the half of the educated population that, according to the novelist C. P. Snow, know what the Second Law is, will realize that it is no more violated by evolution than it is violated by the growth of a baby)."-- quote from The Blind Watchmaker Chapter 4