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Percy
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Message 2 of 70 (671759)
08-30-2012 7:17 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dr Adequate
08-30-2012 2:11 AM


Dr Adequae writes:
This should be amusing.
Amusing like a train wreck. Other than "the flood did it" he hasn't any idea as of yet what he'll be proposing. He'll be making it up as he goes along.
It'll be a bunch of "And then this coulda happened, and then that coulda happened" with no evidence or any reasons at all.
--Percy

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Message 7 of 70 (671772)
08-30-2012 10:53 AM
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08-30-2012 10:35 AM


I hope Peeta makes it his goal to argue for scenarios supported by evidence rather than just not physically impossible.
--Percy

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Message 29 of 70 (671901)
08-31-2012 10:30 AM
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08-30-2012 11:31 AM


foreveryoung writes:
Some historical events can come and go and not leave a trace of evidence. Where is the evidence for the great San francisco earthquake other than historical documents?
Events, things that actually happen, leave evidence behind, and they cause people to take pictures and write stuff that after a while are considered historical documents. Aside from historical documents, long after San Francisco is gone archaeologists will still be able to dig down to the 1906 layer and find evidence of the earthquake.
I cannot remember the name of the egyptian city I saw documented on the history channel,...
I'll second the warning about trusting the impressions you might be given by shows on the History Channel.
...but a whole city moved from one location to the other and left no trace that it was ever there.
If it left no trace of its former location, how did they know it was there?
As you can see, limiting yourself to physical evidence narrows down what you will accept as reality when reality happens to be much bigger.
Science limits itself to evidence everyone can see (or touch, taste, feel or hear). There is no other kind of evidence.
--Percy

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Message 30 of 70 (671902)
08-31-2012 10:37 AM
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08-30-2012 7:40 PM


foreveryoung writes:
The arrived at their conclusion by starting with historical documents. When the evidence did not match up to the documents, they began to ask why. The first thing that cleared things up was that the position of the nile was different when the document was written than it is today. The other piece of evidence that solidified their case was another city some distance away that matched in fine detail what the document said about the city. What clinched it was a good solid reason for moving the city.
What you're describing sounds like physical evidence. You can't argue that science should use other sources of evidence beyond physical evidence by presenting an example of science using physical evidence.
--Percy

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Message 32 of 70 (671910)
08-31-2012 11:19 AM


Peeta's First Foray
Peeta's initial foray was pretty pathetic. As expected he's going to be making it up as he goes along. He begins by asking Coyote which YEC age of the Earth he should use, then follows that with an off-topic post about sin and why we wear clothes and have to worry about freezing to death.
Late August is a time when many college students return to campus, and while waiting for friends to return and for classes to begin some of them stumble across this site. Peeta will soon run out of spare time and be seen no more.
--Percy

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Message 47 of 70 (671976)
09-01-2012 8:30 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by Peeta Mellark
08-31-2012 11:10 PM


Re: Peeta's First Foray
Hi Peeta,
Peanut gallery threads are for those watching other people debate. The debaters, like actors on a stage, should not engage the peanut gallery.
--Percy

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Message 53 of 70 (672109)
09-03-2012 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Theodoric
09-03-2012 9:32 AM


Theodoric writes:
So Forever was making stuff up in an attempt to support an argument.
I don't think FEY was making stuff up. I believe he really did see a History Channel program about this. His confusion was to conclude that it was an example of reaching valid conclusions in the absence of evidence.
FEY has to work out the contradictions in his thinking for himself, and until he does he'll continue to post nonsensical claims like this. He thinks it's possible to know something even though presented no information, but he has no idea how this could possibly be.
--Percy

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Message 58 of 70 (672366)
09-07-2012 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Peeta Mellark
08-31-2012 11:10 PM


Re: Peeta's First Foray
Percy writes:
Late August is a time when many college students return to campus, and while waiting for friends to return and for classes to begin some of them stumble across this site. Peeta will soon run out of spare time and be seen no more.
Peeta Mellark writes:
Now on the other hand, something that is a completely false fabrication is your assuming that I am in college.
And yet, just as I predicted, you've disappeared!
--Percy

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Message 65 of 70 (672436)
09-08-2012 3:12 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by foreveryoung
09-07-2012 6:12 PM


Hi ForEverYoung,
You've come a long way from your original premise, which was this:
As you can see, limiting yourself to physical evidence narrows down what you will accept as reality when reality happens to be much bigger.
Now all you seem to be saying is that you won't find evidence until you look for it, which I think few would dispute. I'm sure we would all agree that the best investigators are skilled at following scant hints of evidence, which is the case with your History Channel documentary about the lost Egyptian city, but that evidence is still physical evidence. There is no other kind.
--Percy

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Message 68 of 70 (672440)
09-08-2012 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by purpledawn
09-08-2012 5:37 AM


Re: Remains of the Past
purpledawn writes:
Isn't part of the scientific method asking a question? Make an observation and then ask a question.
I think everyone is interpreting FEY's responses in the context in which he began, which was this from his first message:
ForEverYoung writes:
As you can see, limiting yourself to physical evidence narrows down what you will accept as reality when reality happens to be much bigger.
He does seem to be distancing himself from that position now by staking out a more reasonable position that stresses the process of finding and uncovering evidence, but given that FEY has been here a while and has clearly stated his belief a number of times in a number of threads that science is only looking at part of reality, it's hard to accept that he really means what he's saying now. Sort of like understanding what the Republicans really mean when they talk about women's reproductive rights ("We affirm our moral obligation to assist, rather than penalize, women challenged by an unplanned pregnancy."), I think we all understand what FEY really means when he talks about science ignoring evidence.
Of course the irony with the History Channel documentary is that it's an excellent example of archaeology following the scientific method.
I don't see that pursuing the specifics of the TV show have anything to do with the GD topic. I suggest we stick to the issues of the GD.
I said I hoped Peeta would argue from evidence, then in the GD thread Peeta began asking Coyote for evidence of ice ages, and that's why FEY started talking about evidence. Peeta seems to have abandoned his thread, leaving this thread flapping in the breeze. Creationism strikes again!
--Percy

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