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XTREAM FAITH
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Message 61 of 65 (553416)
04-03-2010 2:44 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by hooah212002
12-22-2009 3:45 PM


A honest answer to your question would be because of pride and arrogance. One assembling of believers should suffice. If the Word of God was was not watered down from generation to generation there would be one assembling of believers. A few scriptures:

John 14:6
6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Colossians 3:15
15Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of ONE body you were called to peace. And be thankful.

Hebrews 10:25
25Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Dying to Christ and living from his teachings, this is as it should be, everything else is trivial to this.


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celestialGyoud
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Message 62 of 65 (666404)
06-26-2012 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by hooah212002
12-22-2009 3:45 PM


Not being complicit in Instituted Slavery
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When establishing the right of equality also for the people that congregate, and for the times when they are in a congregation of people, the Right of Transparency and Equality will be clearing up that the Constitution of the United States of America and the legal norms are found unable to give one the understanding on the differences between personal purpose and religion’s purpose, whenever they become fused into a religion’s person.

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I – Not Being Complicit in Transgression of Right

This matter has been approved through the Debate with simultaneous participation of the popular vote. And the National Congress will not be complicit in transgression of right any more, clearing up these very strange things:

• non-publication of financial information, ( secret assemblies ), in the administration of currencies of tithes and offerings;

• financial privileges determined to small group or minority; systematic transference of currency of tithes and offerings, from a location where people are congregating to another, contrary to the decision of the majority of people;

• subjection imposed by statutes of unrighteous rules and doctrines that transgress the right of the people.

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These strange things do not only hurt several principles but it’s also a system made to make it impossible for one to distinguish between personal purpose and religion’s purpose.

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When establishing the right of transparency and equality also for the people that congregate:

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I – this Enactment does restore the values, puts and end to the instituted slavery, improving life intensely for the great majority of the people that congregate;

II – it’s approved by mayors and delegates that never had the privilege of non-publication of financial information when administering the currencies that are delivered to them.

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When a currency number for expenses and costs to the work of the Sacred one was estimated into 245 dollars; Right after having said that the estimated currency number was 245 dollars, a pastor added saying: 300 dollars does work. – Who ever pays the exceeding amount is working to who? On this, in order for one not to work as a slave to men, one pays the exceeding 55 dollars knowing that it’s much less, compared to what one is entitled to receive if (s)he wins the case: from 5,000 to 50,000 dollars.

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When ascertaining that a slave is one who find him or herself dominated by a passion or any moral force then it’s suitable that the power of a precise Legislation comes to be exercised to combat against instituted slavery. And as to a slave, it’s not given to know what actions are done by those who administer over him; even so it’s slavery because it is ruled by who ever does institute the non-publication of financial information when administering currencies that were delivered to them and not for the purpose of those currencies to become their own.

In the Book of the books it’s written, “I’ll call you friends; I’ll not call you servants, for, to a slave, it’s not given to know what actions are done by those who administer over him”.

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Every doctrine or religion’s system which determines not to share the funds, in case of any eventuality, with the people that delievered their resources, has respect to persons. Therefore that has nothing to do with loving thy neighbour as thyself, which means: to share and divide with right of equality, as the Chapter Second establishes:

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Chapter 2nd ..... ..... • When a person had delivered as payment of tithes or offerings to a congregation of people that congregate for the reason of biblical instruction, currency that equates to an amount not less than U$ 25.00 (twenty-five) dollars whether through one or more payments, and after a time that person is found in a situation of disease, lack of food, clothes and shelter then that person has the right to participate in the sharing of those funds by receiving of half of the amount that the same person had paid to the congregation which will be proved by the presentation of receipt(s).

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• And as one does not need a shepherd to take care of the sheep where there are no sheep or in the case the sheep are dying because of disease or lack of food and shelter, even so those who deliver their currencies as payment of tithes and offerings also do not need to be deprived of their right of equality which is the right of participating by receiving fifty percent of the amounts paid, in case of any eventuality.

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Knowing that the right to comfort in a congregation of people does not pertain solely to those that show themselves as stewards for ministration of currencies that are delivered to them and not for the purpose of those funds to become their own, similarly, there’s no reason for one to be complicit with doctrines of miserability, which are made in order for 100 % from the total of funds to be applied solely for the financial privilege of a minority or small group; as it can be seen in the book of the Books:

If ye have respect to persons, ye commit transgression, and are convinced of the Law as transgressors.

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Parable of the Sharing

50 persons had decided to work together and settle themselves to form a community. And there was among them a farmer who called them to live in his lands. The farmer said: ‘What so ever you produce, and a part of the fruits from your work, that you deliver to me, will belong to the community; And the houses you’ll build, and even the properties that I own will be in the name of the community’.

And the people delivered a part from what they produced, from what they could, to the farmer but the farmer did not give them right to partition from the fruits that would belong to the community. When someone was in a circumstance of disease or lack of food and clothes then the farmer only gave to them from what he had left over. Until the day that some men asked him: ‘Did you not write and declare that a part of the fruits from our work, that we deliver to you, would belong to the community?’ And then from that day on the people had right to partition in case of any eventuality.

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Right to Transparency and Equality in a congregation of people - [ An Enactment for the people of United States of America ]

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Chapter First ..... ..... • When a currency number is brought up by the representative of a congregation of people that gather themselves together for reason of biblical instruction, to cover expenses and costs of any work that is done for the same congregation, and the number being brought up surpasses the precise currency number of the respective expenses and costs then the exceeding amount will be deemed a beginning of transference of currency that transgresses the right of equality between:

I – the complete congregation of people;

II – the representative of the respective congregation.

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Unique Section ….. ….. • No one will be deprived of the right of equality, in a congregation of people, whether for reasons of belief or religion’s doctrine that is imposed by the registration of a statute, specifically in regards to the application of dollars and currency, which implies that the representative of the respective congregation can not impose that a transference of currency comes to occur, from the region or populated area where the people are congregating to another, whenever that transference is contrary to the decision that the congregation of people, in number above the half, had made.

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Chapter 2nd ..... ..... • When a person had delivered as payment of tithes or offerings to a congregation of people that congregate for the reason of biblical instruction, currency that equates to an amount not less than U$ 25.00 (twenty-five) dollars whether through one or more payments, and after a time that person is found in a situation of disease, lack of food, clothes and shelter then that person has the right to participate in the sharing of those funds by receiving of half of the amount that the same person had paid to the congregation which will be proved by the presentation of receipt(s).

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celestialGyoud
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From: Roraima Peak
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Message 63 of 65 (666584)
06-28-2012 5:50 PM


Not being complicit in Instituted Slavery
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Chapter Second

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Chapter Second ..... ..... • When a person had delivered as payment of tithes or offerings to a congregation of people that congregate for the reason of biblical instruction, currency that equates to an amount not less than U$ 25.00 (twenty-five) dollars whether through one or more payments, and after a time that person is found in a situation of disease, lack of food, clothes and shelter then that person has the right to participate in the sharing of those funds by receiving of half of the amount that the same person had paid to the congregation which will be proved by the presentation of receipt(s).

Section 1 ..... ..... • And The delivering of currency as payment of tithes or offerings wherever there is a system, or doctrine, which deprives a person of the right of equality established in the Unique Section of the Chapter 1st of this Enactment, in the legal form will be deemed a delivering of currency that is destitute from the legal significance of spontaneous transference of domain of that same currency.

Section 2 ..... ..... • To the delivering of currency that this Enactment deems to be destituted from the legal significance of ‘spontaneous transference of domain of the respective currency’ will be given, as legal designation, a delivering of currency:

I – where there is transgression of people’s right;

II – where there is a repetitive use of words which convinces people that they ought to deliver their resources.

Section 3 ..... ..... • It shall constitute a deprivation of the right to equality: that the representative of a congregation comes to deny moving out of a position to which he entitles himself to be leader, or to bring into effect a transference, from a location where people are congregating to another, of currencies that result from the delivering of tithes and offering, when having no valid authorizations that had been separately composed, in their form of writing, by each person that constitute the majority, in the congregation of persons from where they would want a transference of currency taking place or not.

Section 4 ..... ..... • It constitutes infraction, subjecting the infractor to the payment of a variable fine, from U$ 5,000 (five thousand) to U$ 50,000 (fifty thousand) dollars:

I – to deprive a person of his or her right to equality as cleared up in the Unique Section of Chapter 1st, Chapter 2nd, and Session 3 of Chapter 2, of the present Enactment;

II – to impose an instituted slavery, ou to bring into effect a transference, from a location where people are congregating to another, of currencies that result from the delivering of tithes and offering, when having no valid authorizations that had been separately composed, in their form of writing, by each person that constitute the majority, in the congregation of persons from where they would want a transference of currency taking place or not.

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Message 64 of 65 (667259)
07-05-2012 4:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by hooah212002
12-22-2009 3:45 PM


Many ways to God
I know this thread is from a couple of years ago, but I found myself reading through the whole thing, and it has moved me to post a couple of thoughts.

Firstly, in an odd bit of synchronicity, I'm currently reading Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, and at just the time that I was reading this thread I had just read the section on schisms in the early church, in which he discusses how the Donatist heretics "asserted with confidence, and almost with exultation, that the Apostolical succession was interrupted; that all the bishops of Europe and Asia were infected by the contagion of guilt and schism; and that the prerogatives of the catholic church were confined to the chosen portion of the African believers, who alone had preserved inviolate the integrity of their faith and discipline", going on to talk about how tiny sects that schismed from the schismatics "could affirm, without a blush, that when Christ should descend to judge the earth, he would find his true religion preserved only in a few nameless villages of the Caesarean Mauritania".It's hard to avoid the comparison with tiny churches in the US or elsewhere today who believe they're the only ones going to heaven come the end times. Some things don't change.

However, there's a view that seems to be repeatedly expressed in this thread, without any real challenge, that this is the general belief of the world's many churches - that only they are the saved. This is simply untrue. I've no idea if it's true of a majorty of denominations, since I'm not familiar with the doctrines of thousands of different sects, but it's certainly not true of the majority of believers. And I don't mean this in the sense of individual worshippers contradicting the official policy of their church - most major denominations do not teach that only their faithful are going to heaven. Even the Catholic Church has now accepted that there are other ways to acheive salvation, a view they share with the majority of Anglican, Methodist, Reformed and Presbyterian churches.

People like to worship God in a way they feel comfortable with, which fits in with their culture and inclinations. This doesn't mean they believe this is the only acceptable way.


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Hawkins
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From: Hong Kong
Joined: 08-25-2005


Message 65 of 65 (672384)
09-07-2012 3:25 PM


Because there are 60 billion unique minds in this world. They will be attracted to the different denominations which they feel suit themselves.

God understands this nature especially when modern humans tend more to identify and emphasize what they need instead of what they are told. So save these humans with such a kind of behavior, the tons of denominations are thus needed. The bottom line is, they will only be considered as God's church under certain measurable criteria (not that easy sometimes though). Basically, the Apostle's creed marks such a criteria.

To simply put, God allows the different denominations to attract the different human minds as long as the salvation core messages are conveyed. For those "churches" going beyond the "preaching of the same gospel", which is basically identified by the Nicene Creek and other similar criteria adapted by the existing Apostle's churches, will be identified as apostates/heresies. Actually there are a lot today's Christians are with the capability of discernment to tell them apart.


  
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