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Author Topic:   Peanut Gallery: Ice Age is a Product of the Flood
foreveryoung
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Message 9 of 70 (671775)
08-30-2012 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Percy
08-30-2012 10:53 AM


percy writes:
I hope Peeta makes it his goal to argue for scenarios supported by evidence rather than just not physically impossible.
Some historical events can come and go and not leave a trace of evidence. Where is the evidence for the great San francisco earthquake other than historical documents? I cannot remember the name of the egyptian city I saw documented on the history channel, but a whole city moved from one location to the other and left no trace that it was ever there. As you can see, limiting yourself to physical evidence narrows down what you will accept as reality when reality happens to be much bigger.

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Message 22 of 70 (671826)
08-30-2012 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by caffeine
08-30-2012 11:53 AM


caffeine writes:
I very much doubt that this is true. If it left no evidence that it was ever there, how did the makers of the documentary know that it was? Judging by the quality of certain of the programmes shown on the History Channel, I wouldn't put much faith in anything they broadcast.
The arrived at their conclusion by starting with historical documents. When the evidence did not match up to the documents, they began to ask why. The first thing that cleared things up was that the position of the nile was different when the document was written than it is today. The other piece of evidence that solidified their case was another city some distance away that matched in fine detail what the document said about the city. What clinched it was a good solid reason for moving the city.
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Message 23 of 70 (671827)
08-30-2012 7:45 PM
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08-30-2012 7:39 PM


nonukes writes:
But the premise of the Great Debate is that the Ice Age is a flood effect. If so then the flood did leave traces.
But that is using your conclusion as your evidence. A conclusion can never be used as evidence.

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Message 24 of 70 (671828)
08-30-2012 7:53 PM
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08-30-2012 6:01 PM


But I don't see why you bring up this line of argument. Is it your contention that the Flood is the sort of event that would leave no evidence? If we were discussing (for example) the talking snake, you might have a point --- what are we meant to find, fossilized snake words? But in the case of the Flood, surely it would have left some trace?
It depends on when you say the flood happened. If you say roughly 5000 years ago, then there is zero evidence. If you say about 4.2 billion years ago, there is plenty of evidence for a world covered in water and the appearance of mountains being covered. Also, based totally on the perspective of a sumerian farmer named noah, a flood that covered most of the middle east would match what is written in genesis, and there is evidence for such a flood. As for an ice age that resulted from such a flood, there is no mention of such in genesis and no reason to posit one reasoning biblically. It was actually the ending of the ice age that could possibly have caused the local middle eastern flood.

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Message 26 of 70 (671830)
08-30-2012 7:57 PM
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08-30-2012 1:37 PM


And a lot of things that DIDN'T happen didn't leave evidence....
Personally, I suspect that both of your claims are false. It is not that evidence is not there at all, it's just hard to find.
And as Coyote will happily tell you, the genetic evidence rules out a recent world-wide flood (or any other event) reducing the human population to a mere 7 individuals.
What claims are you talking about? Looking at San Francisco today without geological tools, one would have no reason to suspect there was ever a great earthquake there. It is very likely a whole egyptian city did move. The documentary made a very convincing case for it.
What would happen if you wiped out the human population and reseeded it with 7 people?
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Message 62 of 70 (672412)
09-07-2012 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Theodoric
09-03-2012 9:32 AM


I didn't make anything up. The story is real as caffeine pointed out to you. At first glance, without looking deeper into it, you would say there was no evidence for a city being moved from one place to another. When you start asking the right questions however, the evidence starts to show up. That's how it is on this forum when the creationist is accused ad nauseum that he has no evidence for his claims. Just as in the pi ramses story, it doesn't appear just yet that there is evidence for a particular claim, but if you started looking in the right places and asking the right questions, the evidence could start showing up. That will never happen though with the anti creationist hostility and mindset of people like you and many others. You just shout "NO EVIDENCE you simple minded bible thumper!!!!!" and expect us to crawl away and never think about such "absurdities" again since only erudite and sophisticated elites such as yourself have the right to determine what is and what isn't legimate subjects to investigate.

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