Jon, please for a moment try to think not like a sports team fan and try to think about this objectively.
It's specifically the lies themselves that concern some of us about Ryan. He's lied about things that weren't beneficial at all. It's the pattern of a pathological liar. These people just lie for no reason at all except to lie. That's what worries us.
I'm not saying a candidate should be perfect. And I'm not saying Obama has never lied. But there is a clear difference between lying for political gain and just lying for the hell of it.
Please for a moment stop it with the sports fan mentality and try to look at this in a more objective way. Between a political liar and a pathological liar, I'd choose the political liar over the pathological liar any day. At least you know the political liar is in control of the lies he tells. The pathological liar is unpredictable and has no motive to lie. He just lies.
Please for a moment stop it with the sports fan mentality...
Sports fan mentality? I've never been a sports fan, so you'll have to explain what it is you mean by this.
He's lied about things that weren't beneficial at all.
I'll ask you what I asked Theo: Ever heard of a fish tale?
These people just lie for no reason at all except to lie. That's what worries us.
If this is an honest example of Ryan's comfort with telling lies, then that's fine. My primary point has been in relation to Theo's claim that "This one may resonate with the American people because it is so obvious and so egregious."
If this lie resonates with the American people more so than the others, then, as I said, "it is a sad fact that speaks to the gullibility of those people who are more interested in a candidate's running times than his political and economic policies."
Of course, there is no reason I can see why this lie should get more attention; it is one of the tamer ones told so far. But Theo seems to think it's a big one, though I can't tell why, except that perhaps he suffers from the 'sports fan mentality' you mentioned.
We are not auditioning for fearless leader. We don't need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We know what direction to go. We want the Ryan budget. ... We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don't need someone to think it up or design it. The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate. [...] Pick a Republican with enough working digits to handle a pen to become president of the United States. This is a change for Republicans: the House and Senate doing the work with the president signing bills. His job is to be captain of the team, to sign the legislation that has already been prepared.
Well, that was frank. Apparently the key difference between Romney and an empty suit is his ability to sign his name.
But how well will this plan go down with the voters? The idea seems to be that Romney's role would be to rubber-stamp the acts of a Republican Congress ... a group which currently has the same approval rating as leprosy.
Of course, there is no reason I can see why this lie should get more attention
The marathon time 'embellishment' gets special attention because the lie is indefensible, needless, and stupid. Incidentally, most people don't try to pass off bogus fish stories as fact, and essentially nobody lies about their marathon times.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.
Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own. George Bernard Shaw
It turns out that you cannot actually get elected to a national office if you stick to the Republican platform. If your actually try to run on being against abortion to the point where you are willing to kill the mom, label a college education as being for elitists only despite having one yourself, and trashing half or more of the population economically, and you think clean water/air and arctic ice are luxuries for liberals, then you lose. Unfortunately Republicans must appeal to the to the wing-nuts, coal miners, and fundies to get nominated.
And of course the Romney is great at making course adjustments. That's what makes him electable.
If elected, Romney will have very little say in what replaces the AFA. His party hates his ideas re health care.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.
Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own. George Bernard Shaw
quote:In reference to how Romney would deal with those with preexisting conditions and young adults who want to remain on their parents’ plans, a Romney aide responded that there had been no change in Romney’s position and that in a competitive environment, the marketplace will make available plans that include coverage for what there is demand for. He was not proposing a federal mandate to require insurance plans to offer those particular features.
In other words, they wanted to take away the protection for those with preexisting conditions and kids 26 and under.
Then a few hours later, they did another about face.
quote:After Mitt Romney said on NBC's "Meet the Press" Sunday that there were certain parts of Obamacare that he liked, a campaign aide confirmed to BuzzFeed that one of the elements that a Romney health care overhaul would be a guarantee that people with pre-existing conditions can't get kicked off their health insurance plans.
"Gov. Romney will ensure that discrimination against individuals with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous coverage is prohibited," the aide said.
But the 2010 health care law goes much further: It bars discrimination against people with pre-existing conditions who are applying for health care.
The new statement appears to amend a report in National Review Online earlier Sunday, which quoted an anonymous aide saying Romney would allow "the martketplace" to sort out coverage for such people.
The aide pointed to an occasion earlier this summer when Romney firmly staked out support for insuring people with pre-existing conditions in the context of a bill he says will "replace" ObamaCare.
"I also want to make sure that people can’t get dropped if they have a preexisting condition," Romney said in a June speech. "So let’s say someone has been continuously insured and they develop a serious condition and let’s say they lose their job or they change jobs, they move and they go to a new place." The Romney campaign position, as it stands, appears to be repealing the sweeping ObamaCare protections for uninsured people with pre-existing conditions, and replacing them with a market-based plan. There are conservative alternatives for covering pre-existing conditions in circulation. One notable one would allow the uninsured with pre-existing conditions a one-time window to get into the health care system, or to accept the risk of going without care.
But then someone notices the vague language in the latest statement by Romney. In other words, he's really not wanting to protect people with preexisting conditions.
What Romney wants to do is protect people with preexisting conditions in a continuous coverage. But if you have a preexisting condition and you want to apply for insurance, well that's tough luck.
[cynically] he applies confirmation bias he expects people to have: that they will select the part of what he says that they want to hear and ignore the rest [/cynically]
The sad thing is that it may well work on too many people.
You can fool some of the people some of the time ...
quote:"I also want to make sure that people can’t get dropped if they have a preexisting condition," Romney said in a June speech. "So let’s say someone has been continuously insured and they develop a serious condition and let’s say they lose their job or they change jobs, they move and they go to a new place."
Apparently the word 'pre-existing' wasn't taught in the third-grade class Romney dropped out of in order to have more time to devote to his campaigning.
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