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Panda
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Message 27 of 83 (672006)
09-01-2012 4:26 PM


RAZD's point
bluegenes writes:
If anyone on the board thinks that RAZD has made a coherent argument about anything in his last few posts, do go ahead and explain it to the rest of the world on the peanut gallery.
RAZD writes:
Such societies typically use spiritual and symbolic language to convey concepts and ideas, methods that are not scientifically precise, but still capable of carrying important information about reality. It is important to understand how this works before dismissing it out of hand...
I think RAZD is saying that people may or may not have imprecise information about reality.
He wants us to understand how these cultures know things about their reality.
Well, the current way we understand our reality is by looking and thinking.
>Sometimes we make stuff up: "The Sun orbits the Earth!"
>Sometimes we learn stuff: "The Earth orbits the Sun!"
I think RAZD is suggesting that there is a 3rd option -
>Sometimes god tells us stuff: "..."
But he hasn't provided an example of this.
I could easily be wrong about this because all he provided to explain his point was a painting.
Does he think the painting contains information about god?
TBH it is difficult to know what RAZD means.
I think it is because the closer he comes to casting doubt on his deity, the less specific he can be.
I think he relies on "We can never disprove something 100%", but is uncomfortable (CD anyone?) with the fact that we have spent millennia making up supernatural beings.
How else would you explain why he can't even name a single supernatural being.
Being vague is the only defence RAZD seems to have on this subject.

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

  
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Message 28 of 83 (672156)
09-04-2012 10:20 AM


RAZD writes:
Do all the detective fiction stories then mean that all detectives are imaginary? Of course not. Do they mean that the detectives in the stories are real? Of course not. And yet real detectives do exist ... thus we KNOW that your logic is fatally FLAWED with this argument.
And the reason we know detectives exist is because there is empirical, objective evidence of detectives.
But RAZD is not even able to identify a single non-imaginary SB.
Let's reword it:
RAZD re-written writes:
Do all the dragon stories then mean that all dragons are imaginary? Of course not. Do they mean that the dragons in the stories are real? Of course not. And yet real dragons do exist ... thus we KNOW that your logic is fatally FLAWED with this argument.
Hmmm....I think I see a flaw with RAZD's argument: it is bollocks.
He jumped the step where we have empirical, objective evidence of detectives (but not of dragons nor supernatural beings).
The dragons in the stories are just supernatural beings created by the imagination of the authors, whereas detectives are not.
And since there are no counter-examples of real supernatural beings, Bluegenes' theory stands.
When it comes to answering what should be a really simple question (i.e. "Name a non-imaginary supernatural being"), RAZD's silence is deafening. And yet he is adamant that they exist.
RAZD believes in something which has no evidence to support its existence.
This flies in the face of his "Show me the evidence" stance on all other subjects.
I am thinking that his subconscious started the Cognitive Dissonance thread.
It was trying to tell us why he is unable to name even 1 supernatural being while continuing to claim they exist.
RAZD writes:
Which post was that? Perhaps you could just repeat it ... again ... for the peanut gallery ...
No need.
We don't have the CD you have, RAZD.
We can see bluegene's answer.
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Message 33 of 83 (672250)
09-05-2012 5:54 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Modulous
09-04-2012 2:13 PM


Re: The Guernica conjecture
Modulous writes:
RAZD, I believe, is trying to say that religious myths are to supernatural beings what Guernica is to the horrors of war. An intermediary through which we have to do some interpretation.
And this would be evidence of the invisible pink unicorn?

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Message 44 of 83 (672757)
09-11-2012 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by onifre
09-11-2012 8:13 AM


Re: ICANT maybe?
onifre writes:
Anyone else suspect the "new" memeber TheRestOfUs in the Big Bang thread is ICANT?
It is not conclusive, but there are some subtle (but significant) differences in their posting styles.
onifre writes:
Both emails are verizon.net. Don't know how coincidental that is.
Verizon are a multi-billion dollar telcom - I expect their customer base is quite large.

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Message 52 of 83 (672795)
09-11-2012 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by New Cat's Eye
09-11-2012 10:32 AM


Re: BG Challenge - flat planets
bluegenes writes:
My theory predicts that there cannot be a way of detecting non-imaginary supernatural beings.
CS writes:
Then it isn't capable of being proven wrong.
I agree with you regarding bluegenes' statement, but I think bluegenes' statement is wrong.
I think the theory predicts that we 'will not' detect SBs, but it doesn't predict that we 'can not' detect SB's.

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