Scientific vs Creationist Frauds and Hoaxes

I have to include Gish's bullfrog protein for two reasons; the explanation is just too damn funny to pass up, and I was among those shouting "Bullfrog!" at the Kitcher/Gish debate in 1985.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

I had thought that I'd come across Bob Schadewald's write up of the incident before, but can't now find it. I wonder if it might have been on his personal site that might have disappeared after his death. However, this story seems very familiar to me, and I can't find any name associated with the site that it's on, so perhaps it's simply a copy of Schadewald's write up. In any event, an entertaining episode in the on going nonsense.The '85 debate was a very curious spectacle. There were several hundred folk in the audience, very obviously out of place on a university campus, with bibles in hand, clapping loudly at everything Gish said, and sitting in stony silence when Dr. Kitcher spoke. If memory serves, at that debate, Gish trotted out the creo filling the gaps conundrum, arguing that each transitional fossil found compounded the "evilutionist's" problem since it simply created two gaps to fill where previously there was only one. Of course, it was completely lost on the creo crowd that in the very same debate he was claiming there were no transitional fossils.And on it goes.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

This, of course, highlights the difference between a certain class of believer and people who are truly moral. I don't park in handicapped parking spaces because there are people who need them. I don't. It has nothing to do with not wanting to get caught or concerns about what other people would think of me. On the other hand, there are those, such as you apparently, who have no concern for others but behave only out of fear of what would happen to you if you don't.Who would you consider to be the truly moral person; one who does good because of concern for the well being of others or one who does good only because of fear of repercussions?