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Author Topic:   Why would God write a book of lies and why would you worship such a being?
Hawkins
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Message 76 of 86 (673329)
09-18-2012 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by Coragyps
09-18-2012 2:19 PM


Re: on martyrs
And this applies to 9/11/2001 hijackers and to suicide bombers? Yes? They die to prove that Mohammed got it right?
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So you can't tell the difference between the belief of others' lie and their own lies? They did not die for their own lies!

Edited by Hawkins, : No reason given.


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Message 77 of 86 (673334)
09-18-2012 3:26 PM
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09-18-2012 3:15 PM


Hawkins writes:

So you swallow whatever authenticated by humans?


As opposed to what? Something that isn't authenticated? Yes, authenticated by humans is better than not authenticated at all.

Edited by ringo, : Speling.


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Hawkins
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Message 78 of 86 (673350)
09-18-2012 4:07 PM
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09-18-2012 3:26 PM


As opposed to what?
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In this case God exists, He can authenticate.


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ringo
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Message 79 of 86 (673351)
09-18-2012 4:10 PM
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09-18-2012 4:07 PM


Hawkins writes:

In this case God exists, He can authenticate.


God has not been authenticated.

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Hawkins
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Message 80 of 86 (673352)
09-18-2012 4:11 PM
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09-18-2012 4:10 PM


God has not been authenticated.
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Do you realize that it speaks of your faith? Or do you realize that this is a statement of faith?

Edited by Hawkins, : No reason given.


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Coragyps
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Message 81 of 86 (673356)
09-18-2012 4:27 PM
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09-18-2012 3:16 PM


Re: on martyrs
Eek - I read it wrong somehow......

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ringo
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Message 82 of 86 (673357)
09-18-2012 4:28 PM
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09-18-2012 4:11 PM


Hawkins writes:

ringo writes:

God has not been authenticated.


Do you realize that it speaks of your faith? Or do you realize that this is a statement of faith?

No, it is not a statement of faith. I don't have faith that God doesn't exist. I don't have faith that there is no evidence for the existence of God. I just don't have any evidence for the existence of God. It's a statement of evidence.

By analogy, I don't have any milk in my fridge. It isn't that I don't believe in milk. I just don't have any. It isn't faith that convinces me that I don't have any. Anybody who looks in my fridge can see that I don't have any.


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Hawkins
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Message 83 of 86 (673361)
09-18-2012 4:33 PM
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09-18-2012 4:28 PM


No, it is not a statement of faith. I don't have faith that God doesn't exist.
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It is a faith statement based on the assumption that God doesn't exist which you don't know, thus it's your faith.

On the other hand, if He exist, He can authenticate. Plain and straight.

Edited by Hawkins, : No reason given.

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ringo
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Message 84 of 86 (673373)
09-18-2012 4:49 PM
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09-18-2012 4:33 PM


Hawkins writes:

It is a faith statement based on the assumption that God doesn't exist which you don't know, thus it's your faith


But there is no assumption that God doesn't exist - and there's no assumption that milk doesn't exist. I see no milk. Anybody else who opens the fridge sees no milk. They don't make any assumptions about milk. They just don't see any.

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Hawkins
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Message 85 of 86 (673376)
09-18-2012 4:52 PM
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09-18-2012 4:49 PM


But there is no assumption that God doesn't exist
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By the assumption that He exist, He doesn't need your authentication.

So out of the assumption that He doesn't exist, what else can you make the point the "you didn't authenticate Him"?


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ringo
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Message 86 of 86 (673384)
09-18-2012 5:17 PM
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09-18-2012 4:52 PM


Hawkins writes:

By the assumption that He exist, He doesn't need your authentication.

So out of the assumption that He doesn't exist, what else can you make the point the "you didn't authenticate Him"?


We're going at the topic backwards here. The premise is that the Bible doesn't have to be "authentic" to have value, that God might use fiction to make a point. If we want to talk about whether the Bible is authentic, this isn't the right place.

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