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Author Topic:   Do We NEED God?
hooah212002
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Message 6 of 224 (673406)
09-19-2012 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
09-18-2012 1:02 PM


I personally believe that we humans need a Creator/mentor all wise guide that encourages and inspires humanity to fulfill our best aspirations.
No, Phat, YOU "need" a god character, or at least the belief in one, because you think you'd be lost without it. Us atheists do just fine without this god character or the belief in one.

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Message 15 of 224 (673489)
09-19-2012 4:33 PM
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09-19-2012 2:51 PM


Re: Why Jonny Why?
We need God because we are either unable or unwilling to lay aside our own wants and desires enough to solve the major problems of the world.
You do realize that we are just now entering a time where a good majority of people don't believe in god, right? You do realize that, throughout history, nearly the entirety of mankind has had fanciful beliefs of some god character, right? Or are you saying "everyone needs MY god" because you've determined yours to be the right one and your god just happens to be the one that will "save mankind from itself"?
I am pessimistic in my expectation that humans shall ever overcome these problems on our own.
Do you have any evidence that there is a god character that will assist in this "dilemma"?
As to why we are flawed,
Funny thing about that: only you religious people seem to think humans are "flawed" and that is merely because YOU can't measure up to your imagined sky creatures. Humans are humans and we do human stuff; some bad, some good. Some bad has come from god believers and non, some good has come from god believers and non. Belief in fairy tales has done nothing for the advancement of society, but it can damn well be argued that it put the brakes on society (the middle east before islam? The dark ages?).

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Message 30 of 224 (673694)
09-21-2012 2:33 PM
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09-21-2012 1:55 PM


Re: Needing help is not the same as needing God
apologists often mention that one hallmark characteristic of many atheists/agnostics is the insistence upon having a freely chosen life free from the control of any deity or organized religious influence.
Don't you think it strange that only apologists say this sort of thing? What do atheists say when confronted with this? I'll tell you: they say it's bullshit. I would go so far as to say that very few atheists are so because of this reason. It's an excuse thought up and proposed by apologists and apologists only.
To throw that away would be to throw away my inner hope for a rescuer more powerful than myself. I suppose in all honesty I don't ever see myself(and by extension humanity) able to solve life's toughest issues.
Why burden yourself so? Who expects you to "solve lifes toughest burdens" other than you and your imagined sky father? Take one bite of pizza at a time.

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Message 31 of 224 (673695)
09-21-2012 2:35 PM
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09-21-2012 1:59 PM


Re: Which God to Choose...
Perhaps the difference between us is that I want such a Deity to exist more than you do....(?)
Do you realize now that you have projected your want for a god onto telling others that they NEED this god? Do you realize, maybe, that only YOU need this god?

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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