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Rei
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Message 8 of 48 (67404)
11-18-2003 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dan Carroll
11-18-2003 1:12 PM


Week 1: "In The Beginning" - Cover the glory of the Lord's creation, fitting six days of work (and one of rest) into 5 days of class. Homework includes an essay on what you would do if you existed with omnipotence over a formless void of heavens and waters, an assignment to create-your-own animal and to come up with a fake line of fossils to put in the ground that are similar to it, and daily prayer.
Week 2: "The Great Flood" - Discuss with the class and address their concerns about where six miles of water came from and went to. Homework: A one page essay on how well it worked to get rid of the evil people in the world, and an in-class debate on how insects and freshwater fish survived. Conclude with daily prayer. ** Schedule after Physics class, so they cannot ask about potential energy.
Week 3: "Radiocarbon Dating" - Begin the week on monday with a "Radiocarbon Dartboard", and give each student a dart with words such as "faith", "love", and "reason" to throw. Focus on how the fossils date the rocks, and the rocks date the fossils. Homework includes a worksheet on how the nuclei of atoms were less stable in the past, but released less heat and radiation when they split; students must determine how much to change the stability of each isotope. Conclude with daily prayer.
Week 4: "The Fossils" - Explain how polystriate fossils prove that all fossils were buried by a great flood, but that multiple, aligned tree horisons don't disprove it. Explain that footprints in the middle of "flood sediment" and delicate things such as fossil eggs were placed there by scientists to discourage believers. Assignments include determining how often volcanoes would have to alter between erupting and not erupting, and how fast the ash would have to spread outward in sheets, to produce the Columbia River basalts, in addition to daily prayer.
Week 5: "Why Are Monkeys Still Around?" Begin an in-depth study of the competing theory, evolution, with this intriguing question. Homework assignments include finding things on the beach that could not have evolved there, creating a wind-machine tornado and seing if it randomly assembles things, and a 500 word oral report on how evolution doesn't explain things whales, the origin of life, and light. Maintain daily prayer.
Week 6: "Earth's Magnetic Field, The Shrinking Sun, Man Tracks, and More". Read chapter 5 from the textbook provided kindly by Answers In Genesis, authored by Kent Hovind. Have students answer the questions at the end; end each class with daily prayer.
Week 7: Spring break - rest, and pray.
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illuminate me."

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Rei
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Message 15 of 48 (67417)
11-18-2003 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by keith63
11-18-2003 2:03 PM


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What I really want is that kids will be taught that there is a controversy about this topic. If there was not a controversy then we wouldnt be having this discussion. I can provide hundreds of scientists working at major universities who have problems with Darwinian evolution.
Yes. But how many Steves do you have?
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Rei
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Message 17 of 48 (67419)
11-18-2003 2:17 PM


Heh, thanks everyone. It was pretty easy, I just did a quick google search of EVC for random keywords, and looked at what YECs were arguing with
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Rei
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Message 21 of 48 (67450)
11-18-2003 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Loudmouth
11-18-2003 3:05 PM


New Thread
New thread started over in Is It Science: Are Scientists Abandoning Evolution?
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[This message has been edited by Rei, 11-18-2003]

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Rei
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Message 31 of 48 (67485)
11-18-2003 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by keith63
11-18-2003 3:56 PM


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That's your opinion. More than 80% of the public sampled seem to think otherwise.
Religious Tolerance has a good correction for your numbers, with references:
Beliefs of the U.S. public about evolution and creation
They have the 1991 poll. From the population in general, 47% of people in the US are Creationist. 40% believe in theistic evolution. 9% believe God was uninvolved. The 1997 poll data was pretty much the same.
However, look at scientists (which includes fields unrelated to evolution, such as computer science, engineering, etc):
Creationist: 5%
Theistic Evolution: 40%
Naturalistic Evolution: 55%
(I've seen, elsewhere, polls that exclude unrelated fields; the number shrinks down to about 2%; when you look at the "preeminent" members of a field, it nears 1%).
The page also covers what percent of Americans take a literal view of the Bible, compared to other countries (we have among the highest percentages of creationists - the British, for example, were 4 times less likely to agree with the statement "the Bible is the actual word of God and is to be taken literally, word for word." ) They also cover religious leaders elsewhere in the world, and their beliefs.
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Scientist are the only population which seems to think that evolution is the only true alternative and they seem to have a religious agenda.
As I demonstrated, that's not true - 40% of Americans (and much more of the rest of the world) believe in theistic evolution - that God created/guided life on earth, and it evolved from there. The higher the education level you go, the less likely the person is to believe in Creationism. It's a level of evidence issue.
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Rei
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From: Iowa City, IA
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Message 34 of 48 (67489)
11-18-2003 4:40 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by keith63
11-18-2003 4:21 PM


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Funny you should mention that because that is the problem we get with evolution. Darwin thought that Blacks were inferior to whites, he also thought women were inferior to men. Hitler was an evolutionist and look what he did to the Jews and homosexuals.
Off topic again. (sorry, it takes some getting used to). You may want to join in over at Elitism and Nazism.
quote:
And there is a movement among scientists against the theory of evolution.
(Rei waves her finger in the direction of the link to the other thread on this topic)
quote:
If there was not then we would have issues comming up like Kansas, Ohio and Texas. In 100 years we will probably be laughed at for thinking that all this complexity happened by chance. The theory of evolution will be placed in its rightful place with spontaneous generation.
Those issues were not sponsored by scientists; they were sponsored by a coalition of religious leaders and elected officials. As I demonstrated, scientists have a much worse view of creationism than the average public. Public support for evolution, even in the US, has been steadily dropping since the concept was first proposed. Also, it's essentially a non-issue in the scientific community nowadays - it's a given.
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Rei
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From: Iowa City, IA
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Message 35 of 48 (67491)
11-18-2003 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by keith63
11-18-2003 4:34 PM


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No I don't. THere is a ton of data being collected by scientists who diagree with the theory of evolution but that evidence is censored by the peer reviewers who edit the journals. Here are some of them.
Acts and Facts Magazine | The Institute for Creation Research
The only way you can say this is not science is to make up a deffinition which automatically eleminates anything which points to intelligence.
It may surprise you to learn this (as you seem to be fairly new to the debate). but most of these papers have already been torn to bits in review. Present one here so that we can discuss it (start it in its own thread), just so you get an idea of how bad the level of pseudoscience is. Also, if you want to read about your favorite creationist authors, I suggest you check out their credentials first (just a small list).
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Rei
Member (Idle past 7040 days)
Posts: 1546
From: Iowa City, IA
Joined: 09-03-2003


Message 44 of 48 (67582)
11-18-2003 9:45 PM
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11-18-2003 8:41 PM


Re: ICR Paper
(response moved to A young sun - a response)
[This message has been edited by Rei, 11-18-2003]

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