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Author Topic:   What Properties Might Light of Millennia Past Have that Today's Doesn't?
NoNukes
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Message 122 of 170 (675174)
10-07-2012 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by zaius137
10-07-2012 12:03 AM


Re: The constants do change.
It depends on which constants are affected and to what degree. That would be the difference between the decay of uranium for instance verses that of say heavy water.
Heavy water is not radioactive. Deuterium is stable as is Oxygen 16. What comparison are you trying to make between water and uranium? After all, it would be extremely difficult for hydrogen to emit an alpha particle.
Actually, the Sun’s formation itself is still not workable physics, regardless of the fundamental constants. Therefore, I deem the claim it would stop functioning as a mute.
You deem? Someone takes themselves very seriously.
Regardless of your opinion as to how the sun formed, is there some doubt in your mind regarding whether the sun's energy is produced from fusion of hydrogen? Because the question of whether fusion would work NOW has essentially nothing to do with how the sun formed.
About accelerated decay rates, here is an article suggesting two possible constants that might have changed.
What would be of interest, and I believe we can find an existing on topic thread to discuss the subject in, would be the ramifications of changing those constants and whether or not the consequences would be observable and thus ruled out by evidence already at hand. Unless one of the consequences is properties of light...

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NoNukes
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Message 124 of 170 (675177)
10-07-2012 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by zaius137
10-07-2012 1:34 PM


Re: The constants do change.
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Edited by NoNukes, : pointless

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NoNukes
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Message 126 of 170 (675181)
10-07-2012 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Percy
10-07-2012 2:10 PM


Re: The constants do change.
You appear to be claiming that your comparison of the decay of uranium (which does decay) versus the decay of heavy water (which doesn't decay) was actually an argument about the formation of heavy water through the decay of tritium.
I think he is saying instead that tritium can form (a form of heavy) heavy water via combining with oxygen. The real question is why he didn't address his original comment to tritium and forget about the decay of heavy water.
In any event, pursuing this part of the discussion leads nowhere. A discussion of the involvement of the weak force in the decay alpha decay and beta decay is readily available via a net search, and zaius137 isn't the least bit interested in discussing the paper he cited anyway.

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NoNukes
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Message 128 of 170 (675185)
10-07-2012 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Percy
10-07-2012 4:19 PM


Re: The constants do change.
quote:
It [tritium oxide] should not be confused with heavy water, which is deuterium oxide
Exactly. Heavy water means deuterium oxide. Sometimes tritiated water is called "Super Heavy Water". In any event, it is only the isotope of hydrogen that decays, so I'm not sure what prompted the error. Because zaius focused on the water molecule rather than isotope of hydrogen, I honestly had no clue where he was going with his comment.
But again, the only reason any of this stuff is related to the topic is because of zaius belief that Son Goku was in error regarding the role of the weak force in alpha decay. I'm perfectly happy to leave that to SG who seems to have infinitely more patience with condescension than do I.

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NoNukes
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Message 139 of 170 (675245)
10-09-2012 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 138 by Alfred Maddenstein
10-09-2012 11:39 AM


Re: Gibberish
How about we nail the the term "past" down to mean six to ten thousand years ago as measured from any place in the Middle East that you care to name.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

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NoNukes
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Message 142 of 170 (675275)
10-09-2012 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Alfred Maddenstein
10-09-2012 12:35 PM


Thanks for your input...
Otherwise, light coming pretty much the same from every past may strongly indicate it's constant everywhere and when.
Finally we manage to get an on topic, fairly gibberish-free response from you. Nice one.

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NoNukes
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Message 149 of 170 (675300)
10-10-2012 8:36 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by zaius137
10-10-2012 1:11 AM


Re: The constants do change.
Situation Quantum Gravity is in the gravest of circumstances. There comes a nock at the door; who could this be, a savior of kind? Alas, it is only renormalization and all is lost.
What is your actual objection here?
do not need to alter the carbon 14 process simply because that after a few thousand years it is completely inaccurate unless recalibrated by known dates. I must again refer you to the citation..
Yes, where "completely inaccurate" means 'requires a 20% correction for dates up to 24000 years in the past'. Let's also remember that carbon dating is useless beyond about 50,000 years in the past, and is not used for such dates.
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NoNukes
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Message 150 of 170 (675301)
10-10-2012 8:46 AM
Reply to: Message 148 by zaius137
10-10-2012 1:23 AM


Being a creationist means never exhausting a PRATT
Maybe not a contradiction in terms except it was not a Bang Here are some regurgitated problems Where would you start?
This list would have only a remote connection to anything in this thread, but it would be fair to note that the list contains things discussed in other threads. I would ordinarily suggest starting a thread, but in this case, such a suggestion would require pretending that you had not already received answers for many of these questions from Son Goku (See Message 60) "Every single one of your objections is false:" and others. It would also require disregarding that you gave a rather poor account of yourself when you were challenged to defend other points on this list.

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NoNukes
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Message 159 of 170 (675334)
10-10-2012 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by Dr Adequate
10-10-2012 11:56 AM


Re: On behalf of all participants in this thread...
Well, what would help the discussion move forward would be for him to answer my question.
Evasion and gibberish is an answer to your question. What you are looking for is some sort of admission from AM that you are right. I don't think it is reasonable to expect that.

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