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Topic: Can You define God?
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: GOD is NOT a god
How do you get "we should all just accept it without comment" from "I did not ask you to adopt my position"? I am and will continue to express and try to explain my position; for example "I am a theist who believes GOD exists and that God(s) and god(s) are attempts by humans who are limited by the fact that being human so far we can only experience or describe anything in terms of what we see in this universe to describe what is actually beyond anything we can experience or describe."
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: GOD is NOT a god
Too funny. Did you read:
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How do you get "we should all just accept it without comment" from "I did not ask you to adopt my position"?
Did you say "I guess you can say whatever you want and we should all just accept it without comment"? Have I ever said that you should not comment about anything? I presented my beliefs solely to try to explain what I believe explains why there have been so many different god(s) and God(s) presented by humans over the history of modern man.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: GOD is NOT a god
If people believe me (or you if you prefer) to be a god does that make me/you an actual god? If people believe you are a god then yes, you may be a god. If people believe I am a god they are simply wrong. I know I am not a god.
If human belief alone is not enough then what are the qualifying criteria for being a god? Human belief is enough to define a god.
Have you ever seen the "Life of Brian"....? Many times. The first time was likely in the very early 80s. Still watch it every decade or so.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: GOD is NOT a god
Well I suppose I might be... But is their belief alone enough on which to apply that term? If not - What else do I need to qualify as a genuine god? None that I can think of.
Assuming they do believe you are a god - What is it that you are lacking which makes them wrong in their belief? It's not what I lack but rather what I am; I am human.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 153 of 318 (675309)
10-10-2012 9:58 AM
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Reply to: Message 152 by onifre
10-10-2012 3:02 AM
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Re: GOD is NOT a god
It is no more meaningless than any other human construct. At worst it is fantasy and at best it is an approximation. a caricature, a label. Look at all the gods humans have defined over the years, Thor and Apollo and Ganesha and Coyote and Nun... Humans are limited simply because we are human and part of this natural world and so for us to talk about and discuss something our descriptions and definitions are based on this natural world.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 155 of 318 (675315)
10-10-2012 11:04 AM
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Reply to: Message 154 by Phat
10-10-2012 10:59 AM
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Re: GOD is NOT a god
If that is how you define God then it is fine. If that belief helps you then so be it, but remember that your beliefs are simply that and may or may not reflect reality. In addition, be aware of when you are using your god as a crutch and excuse; when you are saying "Not my job, leave it for the Jesus crew."
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 157 of 318 (675337)
10-10-2012 1:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 156 by Straggler
10-10-2012 12:55 PM
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Re: GOD is NOT a god
Well, the question of GOD's existence is still open however I believe that there is a very high probability that GOD, if GOD exists, will be entirely different than anything I can imagine.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 162 of 318 (675342)
10-10-2012 1:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 160 by onifre
10-10-2012 1:12 PM
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Re: GOD is NOT a god
Sure, unicorns or love or honor or humor. Well the limits I am referring to are the fact that I am human and within this universe. I can imagine things but only within the constraints of things I might be able to experience. For example, unicorns are somewhat similar to horses, love, honor and humor are personal and individual and depend on teh sum of experiences of that individual. The term electron is another example, it may or may not be what we think it is but we can develop words that describe how we experience whatever it is an "electron" really is. As I said in Message 153:
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It is no more meaningless than any other human construct. At worst it is fantasy and at best it is an approximation. a caricature, a label. Look at all the gods humans have defined over the years, Thor and Apollo and Ganesha and Coyote and Nun... Humans are limited simply because we are human and part of this natural world and so for us to talk about and discuss something our descriptions and definitions are based on this natural world.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: GOD is NOT a god
Many people believe many things. I'm not at all sure what "supernatural" is other than a label with a very nebulous bound, and I'm not at all sure how to test or determine if something is supernatural as long as I am but a human with the limitations of being human. And remember, I do distinguish between GOD, God and god. I see no reason to think you might not be a god.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 165 of 318 (675345)
10-10-2012 1:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 161 by onifre
10-10-2012 1:21 PM
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Re: GOD is NOT a god
I believe that GOD is the creator of all that is, seen and unseen, but that is simply my belief and has nothing to do with what GOD might actually be. I very well could be wrong.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 168 of 318 (675349)
10-10-2012 1:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 166 by onifre
10-10-2012 1:38 PM
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Re: GOD is NOT a god
I'm not at all sure that it does make sense, but it's the best I can do.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: GOD is NOT a god
Yes, I'm familiar with those definitions, but as i said, I see no way to actually test those things when something that is truly supernatural is involved. The most that I can see would be to move something into an unexplained file. Your lack of supernatural powers (whatever they are) would preclude you from being GOD but not God or god.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 171 of 318 (675353)
10-10-2012 1:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 170 by onifre
10-10-2012 1:49 PM
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Re: GOD is NOT a god
Not quite. God or god as I use it have meanings. GOD though is beyond my capability to define. I can tell you about my beliefs related to GOD but what I tell you reflects nothing but my beliefs and not what GOD might be.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 174 of 318 (675357)
10-10-2012 2:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 172 by onifre
10-10-2012 2:09 PM
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Re: GOD is NOT a god
No, I said that a God or god can be anything a human creates; I said that I cannot define GOD.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 175 of 318 (675358)
10-10-2012 2:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 173 by onifre
10-10-2012 2:16 PM
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Re: GOD is NOT a god
Again, GOD is not God or god.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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