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Author | Topic: The C.C.O.I. (Christian Cult Of Ignorance) and Willful Ignorance | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
just like at work I always tell myself that its good to attempt to have a relationship with or get along or at the very least understand the Boss.
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Lost me there.
What you want or feel comfortable doing is totally unrelated to what GOD might be or do.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
In any good debate, it is wise to attempt to see your opponents position. Why, in your opinion, do some people not allow themselves to believe something that they cannot define nor understand?
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Because they are smart, reasonable, logical and rational and have examined the God(s) and god(s) that have been put forward and find they don't stand up to examination and testing.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
jar writes: As I said, the Map is not the Territory. When you buy a map you must always understand that it is just a representation and not reality. When you come to a bridge don't rely on the map; look and make sure it is really there.Religion is taught properly is a map, a guide to how to live your life. Like maps, no religion is actually the territory, they are all just guides and so like maps, will have places where they are wrong, incomplete, not up to date, confusing. That is true of any and all religions. Christian teaching are about how to live this life, feed the hungry, cloth the naked, shelter the homeless, heal the sick or injured. educate the ignorant, comfort the sorrowful. It's work, hard, often unpleasant work. But not all Chapters of Club Christian teach that. Many teach the easy and pleasant, "Are you saved", "Not perfect, just saved", "Born Again" and the cop-out of cop-outs, Original Sin. I agree that we are to be helpful to others as we live this life. I would argue, however, that a time of daily prayer and meditation is useful in order to commune with (what I believe to be) God as we know Him. I realize that you often use the ant analogy to proclaim the unlikelihood of such an interaction, and of course you are free to believe that. I believe that Christian teaching is not simply found in books, however. Christian teaching is alive and interactive....between humans and between God and humans.
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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What does any of that mean?
Phat writes: I would argue, however, that a time of daily prayer and meditation is useful in order to commune with (what I believe to be) God as we know Him. Why commune? What value is there in communing? When you pray do you ask for things to be given to you are do you ask how you can do for others?
Phat writes: I believe that Christian teaching is not simply found in books, however. Christian teaching is alive and interactive....between humans and between God and humans. What does that mean? What Christian teaching? How can teaching be alive or interactive? What and when should we teach God?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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What's to "believe in"? It is just a tradition and celebration.
Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
nwr writes: What's to "believe in"? It is just a tradition and celebration. Well...for starters...quote:Communion is more than a ritual or a celebration. Communion actually involves God. At least that's my belief.
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
jar writes: Yet you refer to "the god character" as if God is something to be studied. This belief of yours always threw me for a loop...that we were expected to correct God and such. Arachnophilia said something though that made me see the origins of your belief...again.
How can teaching be alive or interactive? What and when should we teach God? arachnophilia,talking to Dawn Bertot writes: Thats why I asked you earlier though tongue-in-cheek whether or not you had a Jewish Mother! remember, you have to understand that in judaism, the law is above god; it is a contract that binds both parties to their individual terms. I believe that GOD,if GOD exists can be known. There is no surefire way to test this so as to be easily explainable to others, but it is my firm belief that when I pray, I am talking to God. Whether or not He listens cannot be verified, though the action certainly brings peace of mind to me.
When you pray do you ask for things to be given to you are do you ask how you can do for others? I do both--honestly--though your beliefs have helped me to see that God is more than simply a genie. My challenge is to get you to see that God is knowable and not just some character in a book to be discussed via logic, reason, and reality. My point is that human intelligence is limited---my belief is that Gods intelligence is not limited. Edited by Phat, : added jabberwocky
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Well...for starters...
That says nothing about communion.quote: That passage does, perhaps, condemn the kind of view sometimes expressed in debates here, that expressing certain beliefs is sufficient.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Notice that your first two paragraphs have absolutely nothing to do with each other or anything I have said.
The Old Testament is part of the Bible. Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian. Jesus saw the world through Jewish eyes.
My challenge is to get you to see that God is knowable and not just some character in a book to be discussed via logic, reason, and reality. My point is that human intelligence is limited---my belief is that Gods intelligence is not limited. See, that is just nonsense and word salad. Even if Gods intelligence is not limited, yours as a human is and so that is all you have to work with. You can only process what you can process. Edited by jar, : add 'w'Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
How could God help us beyond what we do to help each other? Nevermind why should He care......assume for a moment that She does......
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
How could God help us beyond what we do to help each other? The same way a good parent helps us by teaching us how to do stuff, by giving us chores to do, by giving increasing responsibilities, by holding us accountable for our behavior ...Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
good parents DO extend a helping hand now and then. I had an unexpected dental bill recently and my 90 year old parent helped me pay it. She wont help me all the time that way, but my hope is that God stands by to help should we really need it.
One mans blessing is another mans enabler. It may sound cheap to believe in get-out-of-hell-free cards, but Im quite sure that God has helped turn me around when I was headed for a cliff.
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Has she had to bail you out before?
Have you stopped gambling? Have you lost more than the dental bill cost by gambling? Did she really help you?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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