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Lizard Breath
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Message 6 of 49 (67399)
11-18-2003 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Asgara
11-17-2003 7:48 PM


Big fat idiot,
He's definitly dropped some major tonage from when he had his TV show. Back then if you told him to hall ass, he'd have had to make two trips.
As far as an idiot? The man has little formal education beyond high school, he's worth millions of bucks, has a staff of people working for him who have college degrees and has the ear of millions of people every day, some with no education and some with PHD's.
Controversial, yes - absolutely. An idiot, not by a county mile.
Like him or hate him, Rush has a solid platform that he stands on and you always know what side of the fence he will be on in an issue. Now take the salvation of the liberals in 2004 - Wes Clark. Now there's a geletinous mass of ideolgical funk that rolls like chilled fat in the direction the plate is tilted.
I do repect Howard Dean. He is deffinitly a real person with real convictions. Trouble is for the Dems, he'll never be allowed to capture the nomination. He's the GOP's Ross Perot.

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Message 8 of 49 (67414)
11-18-2003 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Dan Carroll
11-18-2003 1:48 PM


Re: Big fat idiot,
So what is it about how he has dealt with his problem of drug abuse do you have the biggest problem?
What do you think he should do and what do you think should be done with him?

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Message 12 of 49 (67428)
11-18-2003 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by zephyr
11-18-2003 2:17 PM


Re: Big fat idiot,
Actually, even though he didn't live up to his own ideology in this area, it's still factual to say we know where he stands on the issue of drug abuse. Now I'm sure he has tempered his judgements concerning those caught in drug abuse situations since his own experience with it. People do learn and change from time to time and is not limited to liberals. I bet those 5 weeks gave him lots of time to eat crow buffet as he replayed some of his statements.
Even though he admits to being powerless over the drug he was using, he still would be against the idea passing out clean needles to heroine addicts.

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Lizard Breath
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Message 13 of 49 (67429)
11-18-2003 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Dan Carroll
11-18-2003 2:32 PM


Re: Big fat idiot,
I wouldn't expect to see him demanding to be sent to jail anytime soon, although in Rush's world it seems the proper punishment.

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Message 17 of 49 (67445)
11-18-2003 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Zhimbo
11-18-2003 2:56 PM


Party line
His message does parellel the Republican platform for sure. "TOTALLY lacking the ability to consider his own prejudices" is absurd, even before he faced his own demons and demonstrates that he is more to you than he is to me.
I view much of what he says as something to ponder and find that the conservative points he makes concerning morality are close to my own. The pure political stuff is way to "over the top" for me, but that's where most of his quotable notables come form. I have always considered his show an entertainment device primarily since I form my concepts of politics and life from a far different and much more narrow minded source. In the last several years I will admit that he takes himself far more serious than occasional listeners like myself do.
I dig talk radio as a whole. Glen Beck and Savage are my favorites while Rush and Sean are too "Repubs good, Dems bad" for my taste.
Rush's radical statements are discounted by me, one of the classics was when he said "What right do any of us have to see a 2000 year old Doug Fir or Sequioa Redwood".
Good, Bad, Right Wing or biased hyperspeak, his platform is solid (consistant) and his vocal message doesn't wavier.

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Lizard Breath
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Message 18 of 49 (67456)
11-18-2003 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Dan Carroll
11-18-2003 3:07 PM


Re: Big fat idiot,
You are confusing that fact that I said his platform is Solid (consistant) verses how his own lifestyle mimicks it. Now if I had said that he is my idol or I base my own life's decisions off what Rush says or doesn't say, then you have a point that I am wrong and he is a fluesy.
I said that you can look at his platform (which I should have said his VOCAL BROADCAST MESSAGE) and know where he stands on any issue. If he fails to apply his own message to himself, that makes him a hippocrite but doesn't change his VOCAL BROADCAST MESSAGE. It does make the message any diferent, but if you are holding the messenger up on a high pedestal like many, you got your world rocked. But he's still VOCALLY CONSISTANT.
I also said that much of what he says I ponder but only his conservative views on morality would I admit to being in course agreement to. Now if you are infering that I said his message is so great that I and everyone else should stand on it, then go read the post again. I only gave him credit for his VOCAL MESSAGE being consistant, not swaying with the ratings or public pressure.

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Message 20 of 49 (67498)
11-18-2003 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by crashfrog
11-18-2003 4:01 PM


Yep, that's it,
As long as Rush is telling me what my ears want to hear, he makes me so happy that I'd run off a cliff if he told me that that's what a good Republican would do.
Get real dude. He a player who ain't got no play right now and this whole drug thing ain't over by a long shot. You think I can seperate the message from the messenger so I don't care what he does as long as he says the right thing? That's the message of the left if you don't already recognise it. You know, what the President does on his own time is of no consequence to the job or message they espouse.
Rush has issues, but his message is still consistant. You don't like what he has done, good - neither do I. You think he should recluse himself from talk radio? In my mind, he would have been more credible if he would. Does the conservative position on morality become void because Rush Transgressed with drug abuse after espousing against it?
According to you, yes, morality as Rush espoused is null and void because Rush couldn't hold himself to his own standards.
If you don't think much of morality because Rush spoke of it, then why is the term Hipocrite even in your vocabulary. Shouldn't it be a moot point?
What other view of Rush's do you not think much of because Rush is a Hipocrite? Parental responsibility? I suppose you are one of those who feel that it's the state's responsibility to provide for the deludge of behaviorly handicapped kids in the public school system who can't stop throwing desks across the room. I suppose you think that it's a good thing that school systems should funnel large portions of their budgets into funds to pay for seperate facilities for SBH students, special teachers to calm them down, additional conselors to dialog with the parents and lawyers to defend the schools when the parents get pissed off when their kids are fixed and they no longer get the additional services which allow the parents to further skirt their part of raising the kid. Remember, Rush pushed parental responsibility in raising children, so that's a dumb view now cause Rush does drugs.
All the while I have to pay more for my kids (who behave in class) to be in sports, drama and other events because the SBH program needed the money more. And that new industrial arts facility and chemistry lab, forget it. We had to buy 2 special busses to transport the SBH'ers to and from school because they are unable to sit still for an entire bus route like the rest of the kids. But there's nothing wrong with kids throwing desks cause Rush does drugs.
How about another of Rush's views do you not think much of. Public decency? So when a kid shows up for school with a shirt that says ***k You on the front, they should be allowed to wear it as their freedom of speech expression. And if the school sends the student home because he refuses to turn the shirt inside out, you probably support sueing the school and bringing in the ACLU to raise a publicity stink. You should wear whatever you want reguardless of it's level of debauchery because Rush does drugs.
I don't think your beef is with Rush's message. I think your beef is with any message that goes against absolute freedom with no restraint.

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Lizard Breath
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Message 27 of 49 (67522)
11-18-2003 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Rei
11-18-2003 5:40 PM


Re: Yep, that's it,
Go ahead and tell us how much you know about the cost of SBH'ers and what little effect they have on school budgets. You are accussing me of being like Rush on this and not knowing what I am talking about so go ahead and show the figures of how inconsequential SBH'ers are financially to school budgets.
Here's the situation where I'm at.
11 SBH kids divided into 2 classrooms in a seperate new building.
State requires no more than 6 in a class for middle school.
2 SBH teachers
2 SBH teacher's aids
1 special aid conselor
1 special aid district administrator
2 SBH busses
2 additional bus drivers
2 aids riding on the busses at all times (1 one each bus)
1 nurse's aid with primary responsibility of administering the prescriptions to the special ed students (she has other functions but if it weren't for the special ed, she wouldn't be there).
1 assistant principal who's primary function last year dealt with meetings with the SBH parents.
4 lawsuits all dealing with the reclassification of a student into special ed. (in one year)
2-3 meetings a week involving the parents, district special ed administrator, special ed teacher, special ed supervisor, special aid conselor and occasionally a private psychologist paid for by the school system and substitute certified special ed teachers to cover the classrooms while the primary special ed teacher was in the meeting.
I'm not going to equate "Jesus died for your sins" with "***k You" since I won't even type the whole phase out.

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Message 30 of 49 (67555)
11-18-2003 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Rei
11-18-2003 6:56 PM


Free Speech
I use a litmus test for the Jesus T-shirt vs. The ***K YOU one. I admit that my litmus test is no longer acceptable in today's society and the ***K YOU Shirt is a celebration of free speech while the Jesus one is an obtrusive attempt to force one's religion down someone else's throat and therefore totally inapproriate.
In your Perry School System do you actually have SBH services there or is that money used to compensate another district that already has an established SBH program and Perry busses their SBH kids to them?

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Lizard Breath
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Message 33 of 49 (67568)
11-18-2003 8:57 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by crashfrog
11-18-2003 8:39 PM


I admire the code and find value in trying to live by something similiar but not because Rush says so. I admire the fact that Rush stays on center with his platform instead of swaying. I didn't say that I admire the man although I can see how that could be inferred. I don't hate him either but I don't tie the code he alluded to with him. He fell pretty hard but that doesn't nullify the idea of morality or any other concept he talks about. Again, the politics of him are over the top for me but some of his life concepts were worthy of ponder even if they are idealistic at best.
And hey chief, you seem to want me to learn whatever is is that you believe before I make broad accusations. Fair enough, I will wait until I learn more about you before I comment in that area and apologise for the broad sweeps towards you, but you also inferred that I was giving Rush a blank get out of jail free check which implies I'm a wishy washy Right Wing Lemming. You could wait and learn more about me before you try to put words in my mouth as well.

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Lizard Breath
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Message 34 of 49 (67571)
11-18-2003 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Rei
11-18-2003 8:38 PM


Re: Free Speech
How many students are you sending to Stark County this year?

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Lizard Breath
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Message 36 of 49 (67580)
11-18-2003 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by crashfrog
11-18-2003 9:07 PM


Quotes
quote:
So what you're saying is that it doesn't matter what moral views Limbaugh himself holds, just so long as the views he espouses never changes.
OK Chief, whatever you say. But as I read this it says to me that Rush is above the law as long as he tells me what I want to hear, and it don't matter what he does cause he's fight'n fer the good guys.
I'm not so narrow minded as to not hold the guy accountable and the way I do that is by cutting back my time I give his show.
If you're above admitting that was a dig, then I've just learned a bunch about you already.

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