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Theodoric
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Message 31 of 231 (675719)
10-15-2012 8:02 AM
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10-15-2012 12:49 AM


As I recall, to be provincial is to think in ways that are peculiar to your locality
Open up a dictionary.
It is obvious Larni was using this definition of the word.
quote:
having or showing the manners, viewpoints, etc., considered characteristic of unsophisticated inhabitants of a province; rustic; narrow or illiberal; parochial: a provincial point of view.
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You seem to be using a form of equivocation here.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 32 of 231 (675839)
10-16-2012 1:21 PM
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10-15-2012 8:02 AM


That is exactly what I said. Jeez. Equivocation? I just don't think evolution and the big bang are the number one determination of a man. It is stalinist to declare a person useless or even worse a danger to society because he fails to believe in what all the "educated" people believe in.
Being unsophisticated is in the eye of the beholder and so is a useless part of the definition. Larni views such people as parochial because HE sees them as unsophisticated and he sees such unsophistication as peculiar to america. It still fits my definition of the word.
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Message 33 of 231 (675841)
10-16-2012 1:28 PM
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10-16-2012 1:21 PM


I don't see how anyone that denies the fact of evolution or that the Theory of Evolution is the only explanation available for the evidence of life on this planet as someone who could be trusted in any position that requires analysis of evidence and decision making.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 34 of 231 (675859)
10-16-2012 3:24 PM
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10-16-2012 1:21 PM


I just don't think evolution and the big bang are the number one determination of a man. It is stalinist to declare a person useless or even worse a danger to society because he fails to believe in what all the "educated" people believe in.
Stalinist? Hardly. The irony is that Stalin rejected Darwinian evolution and instead forced scientists to follow a more Lamarckian type of evolution dubbed Lysenkoism. This put Russian agriculture generations behind other countries who were using Darwinian principles to produce cultivar strains.
What we have in the case of these legislators is a group of people that are willing to sacrifice the education of children in order to score ideological points in the name of religion. This is exactly the type of behavior we do NOT need amongst those who control education.

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Message 35 of 231 (675861)
10-16-2012 4:11 PM
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10-16-2012 1:21 PM


It is stalinist to declare
Do you even know what this term means? Do you know anything about Joseph Stalin?
It still fits my definition of the word.
Ding, ding, ding. Johnny we have a winner. You just admitted that your are using equivocation. Can you at least research the terms a little, so you at least have a basic idea of what you are talking about.
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 36 of 231 (675879)
10-16-2012 9:44 PM
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10-16-2012 1:21 PM


because he fails to believe in what all the "educated" people believe in.
Then Congressman is well beyond any "fails to believe". He says that evolution etc. are lies from the pit of hell designed to convince him he does not need a savior. In my view, that's tin foil hat level paranoia.
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Message 37 of 231 (675895)
10-17-2012 9:17 AM
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10-16-2012 9:44 PM


Except that I'll bet that it is not reflective of his beliefs at all, but merely sucking up to his intended audience.
Most of us here were not part of that audience.

"The Christian church, in its attitude toward science, shows the mind of a more or less enlightened man of the Thirteenth Century. It no longer believes that the earth is flat, but it is still convinced that prayer can cure after medicine fails." H L Mencken

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Message 38 of 231 (675943)
10-17-2012 4:29 PM
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10-16-2012 1:21 PM


It is stalinist to declare a person useless or even worse a danger to society because he fails to believe in what all the "educated" people believe in.
No. What actually smacks of Stalinism is for a man in a position of power to decide a scientific question on ideological grounds rather than by listening to the educated people who have actually studied the question. That would be accurately described as "Stalinism" because it was what Stalin actually did. And he was indeed a danger to his society, because he wrecked Soviet agriculture as a consequence of his ignorance.

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Message 39 of 231 (675966)
10-17-2012 10:17 PM
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10-16-2012 4:11 PM


theodoric writes:
Do you even know what this term means?
Yes, I know what it means in everyday political and social language. Here are three headlines to various newstories on the web that used the phrase "stalinist tactics". This usage is probably not in the dictionary because, like most mainstream publishers and mainstream media, they don't like to look at the truth of themselves in their inner core. They are socialists just like everybody here on EVC and they don't see it because they see themselves and their buddies as the arbiters of truth and therefore it has to be normal and nothing wrong with it. To label how they treat contrarian viewpoints as stalinist would be to acknowledge how censorious and authoritarian they are when it comes to everyone believing what they believe to be true.
Here are the headlines:
Stalinist Tactics Deployed to Silence ECUSA Bishops in Court .
Gordon Brown accused of 'Stalinist tactics'
Clintonistas using Stalinist tactics to silence ABC
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Message 40 of 231 (675968)
10-17-2012 10:25 PM
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10-17-2012 10:17 PM


This usage is probably not in the dictionary because, like most mainstream publishers and mainstream media, they don't like to look at the truth of themselves in their inner core. They are socialists just like everybody here on EVC ...
Oh yeah, those evil socialist dictionary makers. Lexicographers the world over are noted for their flagrant Marxism, and also for compiling the definitions of words in large books. No-one can quite explain why the two things always go hand in hand, but it turns out that for some mysterious reason this is invariably the case.
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Message 41 of 231 (675970)
10-17-2012 11:58 PM
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10-17-2012 10:25 PM


The western world has been becoming progressively more socialist since the french revolution. There is the common man who lives day to day by the sweat of his brow and then there is the "educated" man who tries to control the "intellectual and cultural world" through his trade. This includes all forms of media and universities and scientific institutions. Anything that influences what a man thinks and believes is a prime target for these "elites". Centralized control of mankind just seems to fit naturally for these "elite" type of people who are not like the common man. They certainly are not adverse to it. Those who wish the world to be controlled by an oligarchy of people who all think alike are not content to just try a few measures here and there. They are aggressive and will not cease from their efforts until their goals are accomplished. This is why you see such consternation and threats of becoming expatriated when someone not of their ilk takes the reigns of power.
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Message 42 of 231 (675974)
10-18-2012 1:11 AM
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10-17-2012 11:58 PM


foreveryoung writes:
The western world has been becoming progressively more socialist since the french revolution.
Do you even know what "socialist" means?
foreveryoung writes:
Centralized control of mankind just seems to fit naturally for these "elite" type of people who are not like the common man.
You must be talking about the leadership of fundamentalist Christianity.
foreveryoung writes:
They are aggressive and will not cease from their efforts until their goals are accomplished.
Yes, that's definitely about fundamentalist Christianity.
foreveryoung writes:
This is why you see such consternation and threats of becoming expatriated when someone not of their ilk takes the reigns of power.
And this is well illustrated by the racist hatred of so many fundamentalist Christians, toward President Obama.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 43 of 231 (675976)
10-18-2012 1:40 AM
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10-17-2012 10:17 PM


Mainstream Media? Really?
This usage is probably not in the dictionary because, like most mainstream publishers and mainstream media, they don't like to look at the truth of themselves in their inner core.
And yet when I Google on "Clintonistas using Stalinist tactics to silence ABC", on http://www.newswithviews.com/Kouri/jim74.htm I find that it was written by Jim Kouri. The site certainly looks like a right-wing neo-conservative historical-revisionist "Christians being persecuted"-fraud-spreading site. Hardly "mainstream".
The one on ECUSA bishops doesn't identify the author, but it's apparently concerning infighting with the Anglican and Espicopal churches.
The one on UK PM Gordon Brown is at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/...used-of-Stalinist-tactics.html and about the only information supporting the title is in the first paragraph:
quote:
Gordon Brown has been accused of a Stalinist re-writing of history after his official review of the year glossed over recent political disasters.
And it's apparently the Labour Party voicing their opposition to the PM. And it refers directly to re-writing history which was one of many things that Stalin, a paranoid, did -- all the photographic retouching needed to remove purged Party members kept the artists very busy.
Now, you've been asked this before and I haven't noticed your answer, so here it is yet again: Do you even know what "Stalinist tactics" means? Please tell us what it means.
To label how they treat contrarian viewpoints as stalinist would be to acknowledge how censorious and authoritarian they are when it comes to everyone believing what they believe to be true.
Well, that most certainly does describe the right-wing media contributors like your Jim Kouri.
Oh, and in case you haven't caught on to it yet, your examples do not support your point.
{ABE -- not to be confused with "Anybody But England", which I heard was the best selling t-shirt in Scotland during the most recent World Cup}
PS
Just where did all this talk of "Stalinist tactics" come from anyway?
Quick search and it started in Message 32 by ... {drum roll, please} ... foreveryoung:
foreveryoung writes:
It is stalinist to declare a person useless or even worse a danger to society because he fails to believe in what all the "educated" people believe in.
Well then, since you are the one to introduce that slur into this topic, then you should be quite able and ready to provide what you mean by it!
If you already have, then please point us to the pertinent message and quote the pertinent part from that pertinent message. If you still have not, then why not?
So far, your wanting to tar "liberals" (conservative Nixon, the reason why I decided to register as a Democrat, would be a flaming liberal today, as Obama would have largely been considered a conservative back then) as using the term "Stalinist" to describe others sounds rather hollow when we consider that you are the first one to drop that turd in this topic.
Edited by dwise1, : PS

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Message 44 of 231 (675977)
10-18-2012 2:58 AM
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10-18-2012 1:40 AM


Re: Mainstream Media? Really?
dwise1 writes:
Now, you've been asked this before and I haven't noticed your answer, so here it is yet again: Do you even know what "Stalinist tactics" means? Please tell us what it means.
But if Foreveryoung knew what the fuck he was talking about then it would make him an...
foreveryoung writes:
..."educated" man who tries to control the "intellectual and cultural world" through his trade. This includes all forms of media and universities and scientific institutions. Anything that influences what a man thinks and believes is a prime target for these "elites". Centralized control of mankind just seems to fit naturally for these "elite" type of people who are not like the common man.
He would become that which he fears and hates: an educated man.
In fact, some people hate education sooo much that they will shoot a 14 year old girl in the head to stop her learning.

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Message 45 of 231 (675980)
10-18-2012 3:51 AM
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10-17-2012 11:58 PM


The western world has been becoming progressively more socialist since the french revolution.
Also it's been becoming progressively better and better. Is this just a coincidence? If you'd like to revert to living in eighteenth century conditions, feel free. I'll even help to the best of my abilities, although for practical reasons it will be difficult to infect you with smallpox.
There is the common man who lives day to day by the sweat of his brow and then there is the "educated" man who tries to control the "intellectual and cultural world" through his trade.
No matter what conservatives may tell you, it is possible for the "common man" to be educated.
Anything that influences what a man thinks and believes is a prime target for these "elites".
Also, for ignorant tossers. Now if one group is going to influence what I think and believe, I had rather it was the people who actually know stuff. But you, of course, are free to make your own choice.
Those who wish the world to be controlled by an oligarchy of people who all think alike ...
The Republican Party?
They are aggressive and will not cease from their efforts until their goals are accomplished.
Yeah, the Republican Party.
This is why you see such consternation and threats of becoming expatriated when someone not of their ilk takes the reigns of power.
Definitely the Republican Party.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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