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Author Topic:   The Simplest Protein of Life
Percy
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Message 180 of 281 (676310)
10-21-2012 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by ICANT
10-21-2012 4:39 PM


Re: Revised Suggestion
Hi ICANT,
Copying errors during replication add information to genomes today, and in the same way copying errors would have added information to ancient replicators leading up to the first life.
--Percy

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Message 199 of 281 (676352)
10-22-2012 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 191 by ICANT
10-22-2012 12:04 AM


Re: Revised Suggestion
ICANT writes:
Can you produce some information that was generated without a guided process?
We already know you don't understand information theory, there's no need for you to go about proving it yet again. Perhaps you could find a thread where information theory is the topic and we'll have another go at helping you understand it.
--Percy

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Message 205 of 281 (676364)
10-22-2012 12:56 PM
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10-22-2012 12:18 PM


Re: Revised Suggestion
ICANT writes:
I understand information theory enough to know that to have a language, information you must have:
...
The information transmitted has alphabet, grammar, meaning and intent.
As I said and as the above demonstrates, we already know you don't understand information theory, but this isn't the right thread to discuss it. If you propose a thread over at Proposed New Topics then in my moderator role I will review it as quickly as time permits.
--Percy

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Message 206 of 281 (676365)
10-22-2012 12:58 PM
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10-22-2012 12:52 PM


Re: New information
ICANT, please, the topic of this thread is not information theory. Please propose a new thread over at Proposed New Topics.
--Percy

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Message 215 of 281 (676426)
10-22-2012 4:32 PM


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Could I again suggest that we not reply to anyone who isn't responding rationally about the topic?
--Percy

  
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Message 222 of 281 (676453)
10-22-2012 8:42 PM
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10-22-2012 7:28 PM


Anything to say about the topic?
Hi Al,
This thread was opened to argue that even one of the simplest proteins could not have formed naturally because that would require all the amino acids to come together in the right order spontaneously by chance. If you have some other reason why even a simple protein could not have formed naturally then it belongs in a different thread.
--Percy

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Message 232 of 281 (676532)
10-23-2012 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by ICANT
10-23-2012 11:25 AM


Re: Anything to say about the topic?
ICANT writes:
It seems you agree 100% with BoredomSetsIn.
Yes, that's right. This has been stated many times in this thread, for example, Message 84 where I said:
Percy in Message 84 writes:
What we're trying to explain in this thread is that evolution doesn't believe that the first proteins just popped spontaneously and randomly into existence. We all agree that that would be incredibly unlikely.
If you think that the "simplest protein of life" could not have formed naturally because of information theory then you should open a new thread over at Proposed New Topics.
--Percy

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