Morality without god

Not true. I believe that through prayer, I am in communion with the Spirit of God and that my inner thoughts fall in line accordingly. The reason that I strive to be obedient is because I want to be responsible for my inner thoughts, submitting them to the discipline of logic, reason, and reality. We may well all sin and fall short on a daily or even hourly basis, but this is no excuse for failure, never mind autocratic fundamentalist thinking. Neither,though the latter is more likely. We as a species should strive for perfection or at least doing and/or behaving our best. Perhaps you believe that you don't need God for this, and I believe I do, but we are in agreement otherwise.

Personally, I don't believe that we could even breath without God,but even people who don't believe in God have no excuse for doing wrong to themselves or others.

What kind of sense does this make? How could the creator of all seen and unseen need a dope slap from a human? If the Bible actually says this much, it obviously is mans writing...and flawed in wisdom at that.Why do you bring stuff like this up? The only explanation I would even want to believe would be God in the role of Loki the trickster, making man responsible for correcting the errors of a trickster.

Asserting that God is entirely a human construction borders on indifference, in my opinion. Jar too is guilty of indifference towards the Biblical God, going so far as to say that humans should correct said character whenever He(She(It) makes a mistake. Though Ringo brings up a good counter argument. Edited by Phat, : added link

No argument, there. When the Bible says anything that supports your own personal (and in my opinion warped) Theology of how man and God commune, you quote the sub book. When, on the other hand, a particular sub book within a popular version of compilation known as the Bible suggests that: You then cry foul, maintaining revisionist Theology. Facts show that the Jews back then hated the new religion, and people hate it today.(or laugh at it, which im sure you do.)You may well ask "what this spirit is?" Good question. Hint: Its not part of your human nature. Yes, Himself, Herself,Itself. Not Ourself. Note. Note. I do not judge the Lord. The only possible reason I would judge the Lord is if He Himself was challenging me to use logic, reason and reality in communion with His Spirit.Of course, the God as revealed in the Bible is at times an ever evolving human understanding. At other times, it(He) is the genuine article. So how do we tell the difference? You maintain that we were given the ability to know good and evil.As such, we are responsible to decide accordingly. I wont disagree, except to say that you as well as I have His Spirit within us, operating in communion with our own Spirit and need to recognize that we don't ultimately define God...we are defined by God through His Holy Spirit.(Of course, this is probably biased propaganda to one who believes themselves to be the ultimate judge and authority.) Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Of course, that's an easy answer. How do we know which sheep are which? As you yourself have said, its not what we say but what we do. If you are doing the right thing, you have the Spirit. It is illogical to be able to exist and have no Spirit. (and yes, I believe that His Spirit communes with our spirit. We cannot be lone rangers, marching to the sound of our own drum. If we do whats right, we are His sheep.)

Being led by the Shepherd.You dont need to believe that the shepherd is leading you in order to be led by the shepherd. You simply have to do what you know internally is right. You may think its your conscience but it is His voice.

Did you mean to have the comma? To me, good is flowing with the Holy Spirit, whether you believe in it or not. Harm is flowing with the other spirits.Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

I would argue that He provided the choice of absolute. We need but accept it rather than endlessly trying to make our own ideal.

The absolute is Jesus Christ. The choice is ours.

Some questions I ask myself.

Do I possess a Spirit of knowledge of an ideal or way of life better than others do? If this Spirit is alive, why need I push it? Let the Spirit Himself push Himself onto others, no?

Should people all come to the same belief or conclusion? Is not disagreement and relative individuality a better flow or vibe within society rather than authoritarian agreement?(even if the agreement could be claimed to be absolute)

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Then I thought of a scripture.

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Rom 3:10-12(NIV) writes:

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As it is written:

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"There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands,
no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one."

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So then I think to myself, if nobody does good...that includes me myself. My conscience can only compel me to try and do my best on a daily basis. I need not think higher of myself than I ought, in that at the end of a given day, I have done no one any favors. My challenge is to do no one any harm.

Because human wisdom is imperfect and you may not always give the best advice or know when to advise and when to remain silent. It is true that we can easily give our best effort in that moment, but wisdom calls for us to slow down and weigh the consequences of what we say or if we should say it. It is certainly possible, but it is not easy.

First of all, you don't even know which god I would be referring to...if you did you would find that not only does He love you,He has far more wisdom than you do. You of course are free to assert that He is made up and a figment of my psychosis, but I might comment that your attitude is a bit rude. This is one of those times where I probably should have shut up and let your comment go, but I feel that you are wrong in your assertions. That is all.add by edit: I took it personal whereupon you may not have been speaking to me. Thus I stand corrected.~PhatEdited by Phat, : No reason given.

Assuming for a moment that the "made up" character of Jesus Christ was an actual onetime living person, do you have any problems with any of His philosophy or that of multi authored commentaries known as the New Testament? If so, please elaborate.

I asserted that my daily challenge was to do no one any harm. I got my responses..... AZ then further clarified... And so I will respond with the sort of exclusivity which people hated Jesus for,(or denied Him entirely...as was done here:Men loved darkness and still do...by nature. Intellectualism without the Holy Spirit is worthless. You wont take my message seriously because you neither take me seriously(which doesn't bother me) or take Jesus seriously (which saddens me.)The darkness which you both have is intellectual darkness.Perhaps if you follow your secular morality to the hilt...as best as you can, you may open your eyes when the tragedies of our society come to full fruition, and our way of life lies in shambles.At that time, there will be countless religious nuts, reinforcing your disdain for our "mythos" as you call it. So be that...I can see why you would reject them...even why you reject my warnings.What I will continue to pray for, and stand for until the day that I die, is your rejection of Jesus Christ and why you refuse to simply accept the message that He brought. Its not a religious message. It is a simple message of humbling oneself and laying their pride down.Ultimately there is no morality without God because quite simply there is no life without God.