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Author Topic:   Yet another Congressman who doesn't accept the theory of evolution
Theodoric
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Message 106 of 231 (677005)
10-26-2012 9:36 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by foreveryoung
10-26-2012 1:39 AM


Re: Please show evidence Murrow said that
Otherwise, why would everyone attribute that quote to murrow?
Are you really that uninquisitive? There are lots of wrong quotes on the net.
10 Famous Quotes That Are Misattributed
http://onviolence.com/?e=225
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See how easy that was.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 107 of 231 (677012)
10-26-2012 10:14 AM
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10-26-2012 1:39 AM


Re: Please show evidence Murrow said that
Otherwise, why would everyone attribute that quote to murrow?
The same reason why people think "Play it again Sam" is an actual quote from Casablanca

God separated the races and attempting to mix them is like attempting to mix water with diesel fuel.- Buzsaw Message 177
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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Percy
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Message 108 of 231 (677015)
10-26-2012 10:43 AM
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10-26-2012 1:39 AM


Re: Please show evidence Murrow said that
It was Abraham Lincoln who said, "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."
Or was it Mark Twain?
Or Samuel Johnson?
Or George Eliot?
Or Groucho Marx?
Or Albert Einstein?
The reality: it's an old proverb, origin unknown. Examples of misattributions of quotes abound.
--Percy

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Message 109 of 231 (677018)
10-26-2012 10:54 AM



  
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Message 110 of 231 (677020)
10-26-2012 11:10 AM


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Message 111 of 231 (677022)
10-26-2012 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by foreveryoung
10-26-2012 2:52 AM


I am anything but a sheep thank you very much.
WHAT!!!!?????
Who is the one who thinks that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old, species were magically created by a supernatural deity, and that there was a recent global flood?
You are a sheep. Wake up.

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Message 112 of 231 (677025)
10-26-2012 11:50 AM
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10-26-2012 11:44 AM


Foreveryoung does not believe the earth is less than 10,000 years old. He doesn't accept that the earth is billions of years old, but he seems comfortable with the possibility that the earth is at least 1 million years old.
I have never seen him state a date for the flood.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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Message 113 of 231 (677032)
10-26-2012 12:07 PM
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10-26-2012 3:35 AM


My overall EFFECTIVE tax has greatly risen. Through his actions on the petroleum industry, I am paying close to 4 bucks a gallon for gas. Through his forced obamacare on all small businesses, it is very difficult to find a good paying job and to buy affordable health insurance. All the new regulations on the insurance industry has only served to raise their rates and lower their services. I realize they are now offering new services like allowing your adult children to be on your plan and covering existing conditions, but those come at the cost of higher premiums and reduced coverage elsewhere. The biggest tax on me so far is the rising cost of food. When the federal reserve does those "quantitative easings", they put all those extra dollars into circulation with nothing in value to back them up. That is what causes the cost of food to go up. The biggest impact that obama's policies will have on me is limiting my career choices when I graduate. I will no longer have the option of becoming a petroleum engineer or working with coal companies to find new sources of coal. If I do work in those industries, it will be in their litigative offices where I will work with environmental lawyers in keeping the government from running the company out of business or in helping the business stay compliant with environmental regulations. This is why I will become an environmental engineer. It won't be out of interest; it will be out of necessity.

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Message 114 of 231 (677035)
10-26-2012 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by NoNukes
10-26-2012 11:50 AM


Believing that the earth is 10,000 years old is 99.9999977% wrong.
Believing that the earth is 1,000,000 years old is 99.99977% wrong.
As admirable as it is to see someone have a breakthough on rejecting the strict YEC timeline, there is still a fundamental rejection of evidence going on.

If we long for our planet to be important, there is something we can do about it. We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depth of our answers. --Carl Sagan

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Message 115 of 231 (677038)
10-26-2012 12:18 PM
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10-26-2012 12:07 PM


Or you could work for mining companies in the booming industry of rare earth minerals. Are you really sad to see the world changing from digging up black rocks to burn into digging up exotic rocks to make iPads and solar panels?
Thats besides the point that the thing that is killing coal is the massive increase in the extraction of natural gas. Its the free market doing its job. Natural gas is cheaper, safer, cleaner, and in more demand.

If we long for our planet to be important, there is something we can do about it. We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depth of our answers. --Carl Sagan

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Message 116 of 231 (677041)
10-26-2012 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by NoNukes
10-26-2012 11:50 AM


I have pretty much given up the whole young earth thing, even a few million years. I have come to realize that Genesis is conveying truth but not literal truth. It was written in a mythological format so that the hebrew people could reach out to the polytheistic religions around and show them the nature of the one true God. IOW, it was written in the cultural style of the pagans around them. They spoke of their history in mythological terms as well. Mythological doesn't mean fairytale. It conveys truth in a way that is interesting and compelling. The whole six days was written to give the pattern of a six day work week and to show that is was God who was doing the work of creation in those mythological days. It was one more example of how we were made in the image of God, by showing that God had a work week just like we do. The biggest difference I now have with neo-darwinian evolution is the I do not believe in pan selectionism or that phylogenetic gradualism is the only method of evolution. I believe in lamarkian like forces that result in "hopeful monsters" being able to multiply within a population and ultimately become dominant. I believe that the majority of the evolution that has taken place on the planet is has been through punctuated equilibrium and that phylogenetic gradualism as only accounted for a small portion of evolutionary change. I also believe that most macro evolution is caused by mutations in embryonic developmental genes, especially hox genes. These developmental genes are built upon each other in layers with one layer telling the next layer below it how to proceed in building the organism. The higher up in the layers you go, the more likely a mutation there will cause a major phenotypic change. I believe it was God who engineered these developmental genes in such a way that mutations to them would allow populations to change quickly to their environment and give us the biodiversity we have today. Just as it was God who engineered these early genes, it was God who engineered the laws of physics to give us the universe as it exists today. So yes, it took billions of years for the universe to be what it is today and 4.56 billion years for the earth to be what it is today. God did not design "perfect" organisms. Why? He knew that the environment could not stay the same. It was a self regenerating environment, and as such, would never be the same and would often provide catastrophic conditions such as continental collisions and separations and ocean regressions and transgressions. Such conditions would never allow "perfect" organisms to survive. They must have built in mechanisms that would allow them to change along with their environment. God did however arrange the original material of the universe and create the physical laws in such a way, that 12 billion years or so, we would have the conditions on earth that would be ripe for life 540 million years ago in the cambrian.

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Message 117 of 231 (677046)
10-26-2012 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by foreveryoung
10-26-2012 12:33 PM


Now that you have explained what you beleive (it's refreshing to read a frank an concise post of that nature on EvC) can you explain why you beleive it?
What evidence informs your beliefs?

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Message 118 of 231 (677047)
10-26-2012 1:04 PM
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10-26-2012 12:33 PM


foreveryoung writes:
I have pretty much given up the whole young earth thing, even a few million years. I have come to realize that Genesis is conveying truth but not literal truth. It was written in a mythological format so that the hebrew people could reach out to the polytheistic religions around and show them the nature of the one true God. IOW, it was written in the cultural style of the pagans around them.
I hope people don't spoil this by quibbling over the details in the rest of the message. How are they taking this at home? College has corrupted you?
--Percy

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Message 119 of 231 (677049)
10-26-2012 1:17 PM
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10-26-2012 12:07 PM


foreveryoung writes:
My overall EFFECTIVE tax has greatly risen. Through his actions on the petroleum industry, I am paying close to 4 bucks a gallon for gas.
I don't know where you live.
Here, in the Chicago suburbs, I was paying over $4.00 per gallon back in 2008 before Obama was ever elected.
My guess is that if you search back through newspapers in 2008, you will find reports of that and of the auto-industry suffering because people stopped buying gas guzzlers due to the high prices.
foreveryoung writes:
Through his forced obamacare on all small businesses, it is very difficult to find a good paying job and to buy affordable health insurance.
This is complete nonsense. You demonstrate that you are one of the sheep by believing this BS.
Obamacare has not been put sufficiently into effect yet, to have had any impact on small business. The difficulty in getting a job is entirely due to the economic program of Bush that caused the economy to fail. And Mr Etch-a-Sketch, the amoral Mormon chameleon, wants to reinstitute that failed economic policy.
foreveryoung writes:
All the new regulations on the insurance industry has only served to raise their rates and lower their services. I realize they are now offering new services like allowing your adult children to be on your plan and covering existing conditions, but those come at the cost of higher premiums and reduced coverage elsewhere.
More BS. Stop being one of the sheep, and start looking at the evidence yourself.
foreveryoung writes:
The biggest tax on me so far is the rising cost of food.
Yes, that is more of a problem for me than are the gas prices.
foreveryoung writes:
When the federal reserve does those "quantitative easings", they put all those extra dollars into circulation with nothing in value to back them up. That is what causes the cost of food to go up.
More BS.
Most of the price rise in food started when Bush was still president. Prices then subsided a little, due to the recession. They have picked up again, now that the economy is picking up.
Once again, I suggest you look for old newspapers to find when the price rise on food began.
You again demonstrate quite clearly that you are one of those sheep. You are going along with all of the BS propaganda that is being fed to you, and you are failing to seek evidence or to think for yourself.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 120 of 231 (677050)
10-26-2012 1:27 PM
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10-26-2012 1:17 PM


Actually it is you who is the sheep for believing what you do about the issues I just described.
Stop being a sheep. Everything you just told me was force fed to you by just about every mainstream media outlet out there complete with all the catch phrases like etch a scetch. Turn on the TV other than FOX, you will hear your garbage be spewed. Turn on the internet and look at what it has to say about your issues....same garbage being spewed to the sheep. Turn on the radio other than right wing radio...when the news comes on....yep....that's right...your version come out to all the gullible sheep just like yourself.

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