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Author Topic:   Yet another Congressman who doesn't accept the theory of evolution
foreveryoung
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Message 116 of 231 (677041)
10-26-2012 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by NoNukes
10-26-2012 11:50 AM


I have pretty much given up the whole young earth thing, even a few million years. I have come to realize that Genesis is conveying truth but not literal truth. It was written in a mythological format so that the hebrew people could reach out to the polytheistic religions around and show them the nature of the one true God. IOW, it was written in the cultural style of the pagans around them. They spoke of their history in mythological terms as well. Mythological doesn't mean fairytale. It conveys truth in a way that is interesting and compelling. The whole six days was written to give the pattern of a six day work week and to show that is was God who was doing the work of creation in those mythological days. It was one more example of how we were made in the image of God, by showing that God had a work week just like we do. The biggest difference I now have with neo-darwinian evolution is the I do not believe in pan selectionism or that phylogenetic gradualism is the only method of evolution. I believe in lamarkian like forces that result in "hopeful monsters" being able to multiply within a population and ultimately become dominant. I believe that the majority of the evolution that has taken place on the planet is has been through punctuated equilibrium and that phylogenetic gradualism as only accounted for a small portion of evolutionary change. I also believe that most macro evolution is caused by mutations in embryonic developmental genes, especially hox genes. These developmental genes are built upon each other in layers with one layer telling the next layer below it how to proceed in building the organism. The higher up in the layers you go, the more likely a mutation there will cause a major phenotypic change. I believe it was God who engineered these developmental genes in such a way that mutations to them would allow populations to change quickly to their environment and give us the biodiversity we have today. Just as it was God who engineered these early genes, it was God who engineered the laws of physics to give us the universe as it exists today. So yes, it took billions of years for the universe to be what it is today and 4.56 billion years for the earth to be what it is today. God did not design "perfect" organisms. Why? He knew that the environment could not stay the same. It was a self regenerating environment, and as such, would never be the same and would often provide catastrophic conditions such as continental collisions and separations and ocean regressions and transgressions. Such conditions would never allow "perfect" organisms to survive. They must have built in mechanisms that would allow them to change along with their environment. God did however arrange the original material of the universe and create the physical laws in such a way, that 12 billion years or so, we would have the conditions on earth that would be ripe for life 540 million years ago in the cambrian.

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Message 120 of 231 (677050)
10-26-2012 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by nwr
10-26-2012 1:17 PM


Actually it is you who is the sheep for believing what you do about the issues I just described.
Stop being a sheep. Everything you just told me was force fed to you by just about every mainstream media outlet out there complete with all the catch phrases like etch a scetch. Turn on the TV other than FOX, you will hear your garbage be spewed. Turn on the internet and look at what it has to say about your issues....same garbage being spewed to the sheep. Turn on the radio other than right wing radio...when the news comes on....yep....that's right...your version come out to all the gullible sheep just like yourself.

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Message 123 of 231 (677059)
10-26-2012 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by nwr
10-26-2012 2:02 PM


Do you realize who was passing legislation in 2007 and 2008? Do you realize who was attaching funding for the war in iraq to every piece of legislation they tried to get passed so that bush would not veto it?

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Message 124 of 231 (677060)
10-26-2012 3:25 PM
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10-26-2012 2:02 PM


who is it that keeps repeating the etch a sketch mantra? It certainly isn't the one who originated it. The one who originated it certainly didn't give it the meaning that those who keep repeating it in a mocking way.

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foreveryoung
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Message 125 of 231 (677061)
10-26-2012 3:27 PM


It took me agreeing with you people on the age of the earth and the universe to get any positive reps, otherwise I get bombarded with negative rep when I don't follow the party line. If that isn't fascism, I don't know what is.

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foreveryoung
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Message 139 of 231 (677124)
10-26-2012 10:05 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by NoNukes
10-26-2012 4:00 PM


I don't post in order to get pos rep. That is the reason I get neg rep so often. It wasn't until I agreed on the age of the earth with you guys that I get positive rep. I didn't change my position on that in order to get the pos rep though; I am just merely noting the hypocrisy going on here.

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Message 149 of 231 (677162)
10-27-2012 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Coragyps
10-27-2012 10:59 AM


Why are you calling Petroleum Geologists and Environmental Geologists Engineers?

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Message 157 of 231 (677177)
10-27-2012 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by anglagard
10-27-2012 5:43 PM


Re: Have No Idea What You are Talking About
I am not the one confusing the terms. I was talking about environmental geology an petroleum geology. Coragyps responds by talking about environmental engineering and geological engineering. Why are you correcting me when it is coragyps who said something other than what I said? I said it wasn't likely that I would be able to gain employment as a petroleum geologist. Why did coragyps respond with talk about petroleum engineering. I am getting a bachelors degree in geology, not geological engineering.

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foreveryoung
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Message 160 of 231 (677180)
10-27-2012 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by Theodoric
10-27-2012 7:20 PM


Re: Are you wrong about everything
I didn't realize I said that then. I guess you have never said one word when you meant another huh? liar. This is why you and many others here are such jerks. Yes, I know what I am studying. Why would you assume that I didn't just because I mistakenly said the wrong word?

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foreveryoung
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Message 161 of 231 (677181)
10-27-2012 7:28 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by dwise1
10-27-2012 7:24 PM


Re: Have No Idea What You are Talking About
dwise1 writes:
Just because the word "engineering" is not in your degree's name does not mean that you wouldn't end up working as a geological engineer.
Yes, I do realize that and that is probably the reason I used one word mistakenly in place of the other.

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Message 163 of 231 (677184)
10-27-2012 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by Theodoric
10-27-2012 7:36 PM


Re: Are you wrong about everything
It is bound to come out anyway. You are an extremely hateful, bitter old man. I know anything you have to say to me with be hateful.

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foreveryoung
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Message 164 of 231 (677185)
10-27-2012 7:50 PM


I am not wrong about everything. I just don't agree with anything you say or believe in and that is just fine with me. If I am wrong about everything from your perspective then I must be doing something right. The minute I was correct in your estimation is the day I would put a end to my days on this earth.
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Message 166 of 231 (677187)
10-27-2012 7:53 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by NoNukes
10-27-2012 7:51 PM


Re: Are you wrong about everything
Where did I admit to being wrong? I said I mistakenly said one word in place of another. That is dyslexia if anything. I cannot stand that hateful old man that makes wisconsin look extremely bad. I try to avoid reading his tripe but I made the mistake of seeing it this time.

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Message 171 of 231 (677194)
10-27-2012 8:18 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by jar
10-27-2012 8:06 PM


Re: Are you wrong about everything
You don't want to know what I suggest that you should do. Dyslexia is the only word that could come to mind to describe the phenomena I was referring to. I am not going to search through a thesaurus and a dictionary before I post just to satisfy you anal retentive types. I know dyslexia is not saying one word when you meant another but the concept is similar. Evidently most normal people don't know what it means either. Everytime I hear someone mention dyslexia it is always when someone else reverses the order of words in a sentence or puts one letter out of order in a word. It is in that context that I blurted out the word dyslexia because that is all that came to my consciousness in that moment in time. Excuse the hell out of me for being a human being for crying out loud. You people think you are perfect and you thrive on pointing out the minor little mistakes in others. If I was of the same mind as you guys, I could point out your little faults in logic and false knowlege as well but I don't need to act like that in order to build myself up. As for my failings, why does everyone focus on the minutae of my failing when you totally neglect the huge effing logs in your own eyes.

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Message 172 of 231 (677196)
10-27-2012 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by nwr
10-27-2012 8:15 PM


Re: Are you wrong about everything
What in the world is there to apologize for? I am defending myself from that jerk. He is a miserable cretin. I am only stating facts. I will never retract that. I am on a short leash so I will refrain what else I have to say about that miserable man.

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