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Author Topic:   Yet another Congressman who doesn't accept the theory of evolution
foreveryoung
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Message 181 of 231 (677205)
10-27-2012 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by nwr
10-27-2012 8:58 PM


Re: Are you wrong about everything
The accusatory tone is warranted in my opinion. They both had a sarcastic and condescending tone to my simple mistake of using petroleum engineer instead of petroleum geologist. They both jumped to the conclusion that I was ignorant and didn't know what i was talking about. They can stuff their apology.

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foreveryoung
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Message 182 of 231 (677206)
10-27-2012 9:06 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by jar
10-27-2012 9:02 PM


Re: Hiring anyone that makes decisions based on faith
jar writes:
Not being able to make evidence based decisions like not accepting the FACT that evolution happened and that the ONLY explanation available for that evolution is the Theory of Evolution shows that he is incapable of reason based on reality and evidence
It does no such thing. Your reasoning ability is extremely flawed. Believing something or not is not the same as making a decision to DO something!!! He simply believes the bible as he understands it. That is what all TRUE christians do. They do not believe what the bible says based on physical evidence. They believe it because God said his word is true. They simply believe God over physical evidence. Again , believing God over man is not the same as making a public policy decision based on that belief. He has not done so and therefore your getting all worked up about it is more about religious bigotry than anything else.
Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 183 of 231 (677207)
10-27-2012 9:09 PM
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10-27-2012 9:06 PM


Re: Hiring anyone that makes decisions based on faith
Did you even read what he said?
quote:
"God’s word is true," Broun said, according to a video posted on the church’s website. "I’ve come to understand that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell. And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior."
Please point out where what he said was based on the evidence and not on his personal belief?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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foreveryoung
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Message 184 of 231 (677208)
10-27-2012 9:14 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by jar
10-27-2012 9:09 PM


Re: Hiring anyone that makes decisions based on faith
What you say and what you believe is not the same thing as making a decision to do an action. It seems that you have a mental block here. He is not basing his beliefs on evidence; he is basing his beliefs and what he says to others on God's word. That is what a christian is supposed to do. I am sorry that you are not that kind of christian. When those beliefs control the kind of public policy decisions he makes, then you have a legitimate complaint. As of right now, you are just being a bigot.

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foreveryoung
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Message 185 of 231 (677209)
10-27-2012 9:16 PM


My belief in God is not based on physical evidence. If you are going to castigate broun for believing the bible when it is contradictory to physical evidence then castigate yourself for believing in God when there is no physical evidence.
Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 186 of 231 (677210)
10-27-2012 9:20 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by foreveryoung
10-27-2012 9:14 PM


Re: Hiring anyone that makes decisions based on faith
Did he say "I’ve come to understand that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell. And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior."?
So he is saying that what is taught about evolution, embryology and Big Bang theory are all lies.
And he is saying that not based on any evidence in evolution, embryology or Big Bang theory but because "all that is lies straight from the pit of hell".

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 187 of 231 (677212)
10-27-2012 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by foreveryoung
10-27-2012 9:03 PM


Re: Are you wrong about everything
foreveryoung writes:
The accusatory tone is warranted in my opinion. They both had a sarcastic and condescending tone to my simple mistake of using petroleum engineer instead of petroleum geologist. They both jumped to the conclusion that I was ignorant and didn't know what i was talking about. They can stuff their apology.
Thank you for making it completely clear that you are not a Christian.
One learns new things every day.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 188 of 231 (677213)
10-27-2012 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by foreveryoung
10-26-2012 1:39 AM


Re: Please show evidence Murrow said that
Quotes on the internet are very often misattributed - Abraham Lincoln

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foreveryoung
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Message 189 of 231 (677215)
10-28-2012 12:50 AM
Reply to: Message 188 by ramoss
10-27-2012 9:29 PM


Re: Please show evidence Murrow said that
Where is the evidence that anybody said anything?????????
You people are a bunch of hypocritical clowns. Thousands of people quote murrow as saying that and yet you give me grief over it. Why do thousands of people attribute the quote to him?? hmmmmmm???
It's not just the internet either you clown.
I'm not going to accept the authorship of any quotes from anybody on this forum from now on because you are all a bunch of hypocrites. I'm sure you can say something is evidence of somebody saying the quote but you cannot prove it. The point is that you cannot prove that anybody said anything unless you have them on tape or camera. so, your silly little stunt about proving the murrow quote is nothing but theatrics and trying to make yourselves seem superior to me. I got the quote from fearandloathing's signature but I don't see any of you fools giving him a hard time about. I had no idea about the quote until I say his signature.
Somebody prove to me that Shakespeare wrote Romeo and Juliet. You can't do it can you? So, just stop it ok?
Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Shortened long long string of "?", which was causing the page to be wide wide.

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foreveryoung
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Message 190 of 231 (677216)
10-28-2012 12:56 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by nwr
10-27-2012 9:27 PM


Re: Are you wrong about everything
I didn't realize that one's actions determined whether one was a christian or not. Sorry charlie....you lose on that account. You don't have a clue what a christian is do you pal????????????????????

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Message 191 of 231 (677223)
10-28-2012 4:00 AM
Reply to: Message 190 by foreveryoung
10-28-2012 12:56 AM


Re: Are you wrong about everything
I didn't realize that one's actions determined whether one was a christian or not.
Actions alone certainly don't determine whether or not someone is a Christian - I would agree with that. It's more than possible for someone to live their life in accordance with many of Christianity's deepest values, and yet not be a Christian, for example.
But what surprises many non-Christians is how often un-Christian behaviour can be exhibited by people who say they are devout Christians. We are told by Christians that theirs is a way of life - a message of love, peace and forgiveness which informs their daily lives. (And for very many, it is indeed that way). But for a number, there appears to be a belief that simply to identify as Christian is sufficient, and that their daily behaviour can then continue in whatever way they choose. (My grandmother used to refer to this phenomenon as "Sunday saints and Monday sinners").
Swinging back into the topic a little, this is where I see a problem with many GOP politicians - I suspect that a proportion identify themselves as Christians, not because they genuinely believe and live their lives according to Christian values, but because they know that the badge will win them power and allow them to pursue their (often rather un-Christian) agenda.
This is the danger with badges. If the badge doesn't represent a true embracing of values, then it can be used to justify any number of inappropriate things. So if you can be a Christian without truly embracing Christian values and behaviour, then the badge of Christianity becomes hugely less meaningful.
And when it comes to politicians, we really, really need to be careful about assuming that everything they say is Christian and decent and right, just because they wear the badge.

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Percy
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Message 192 of 231 (677227)
10-28-2012 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 176 by NoNukes
10-27-2012 8:42 PM


NoNukes writes:
You don't have to double the tax rates to double the amount of your tax bill. The tax rate is applied to your income after deductions.
Yes, of course, but Dwise1 said nothing had changed in his Message 151:
dwise1 in Message 151 writes:
No big changes in salary nor in expenses, deductions, etc.
His claim is that his tax bill doubled because of Reagan tax policies, not because of some odd circumstance involving expenses or deductions. Anyone who paid taxes in the Reagan years knows taxes didn't double.
Naturally there are certain circumstances where this could happen to someone whose income, expenses and deductions are otherwise unexceptional. For example, if one was on the threshold of the lowest tax bracket then certainly one's tax bill could easily have gone from $100 to $200, but that's not due in any meaningful way to a change in the tax codes.
Keep in mind what DWise1 is arguing. He isn't arguing that he was an unusual casualty of Reagan tax policies. He's using himself as an example of Reagan doubling people's taxes to argue that victimizing the poor and middle class to benefit the rich is what Republicans do to the country. Read it again:
dwise1 in Message 113 replying to foreveryoung writes:
I remember President Ronald Reagan's big and much bally-hoo'ed tax break. Big tax reductions! For the rich! My own income tax that year? It doubled! And I wasn't the only one to notice that. The rich got a huge tax break, while us middle-class people got the shaft. I have lived through what Republicans do to us!
While his point is correct since the Republicans aren't even trying to hide the special treatment they want to bestow upon the rich, his argument is wrong. Reagan didn't double taxes. I'm not arguing with the position or the criticism - I'm arguing with the facts behind them. One doesn't have to make things up to compose effective arguments against Republican economic policies.
--Percy

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Message 193 of 231 (677228)
10-28-2012 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by jar
10-27-2012 6:12 PM


Re: No reason to oppose Romney?
jar writes:
That is all the current GOP want and all the current GOP expects a President to be.
They believe that Congress should run the country and that the President is only there to sign the bills Congress sends for signature. The duty of a President is to say what he is told to say, sign what he is told to sign, get out of the way...
Just in case anyone doubted the literal truth of jar's remarks:
quote:
Movement conservatives have pushed Romney to take extreme positions throughout the 2012 campaign; they won't stop once he becomes president. As Grover Norquist explained in a speech to the Conservative Political Action Committee, "We are not auditioning for a fearless leader. We don't need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We know what direction to go. We want the Ryan budget .... We just need a president to sign this stuff."
Why the GOP Should Fear a Romney Presidency

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Message 194 of 231 (677230)
10-28-2012 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 190 by foreveryoung
10-28-2012 12:56 AM


Re: Are you wrong about everything
foreveryoung writes:
I didn't realize that one's actions determined whether one was a christian or not. Sorry charlie....you lose on that account. You don't have a clue what a christian is do you pal????????????????????
I suggest that you take some time to read the teachings of Jesus. Read them for yourself. Don't go by what your pastor or other are telling you. Make sure that you really understand them.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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jar
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Message 195 of 231 (677231)
10-28-2012 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 185 by foreveryoung
10-27-2012 9:16 PM


forevryoung writes:
My belief in God is not based on physical evidence. If you are going to castigate broun for believing the bible when it is contradictory to physical evidence then castigate yourself for believing in God when there is no physical evidence.
Slow down and read what you just wrote.
What is the difference between believing something when there is NO evidence and believing something where there is evidence and ALL of the evidence shows the belief is false?
Edited by jar, : fix quote box

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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