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Author Topic:   Yet another Congressman who doesn't accept the theory of evolution
foreveryoung
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Message 173 of 231 (677197)
10-27-2012 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by NoNukes
10-27-2012 8:11 PM


Re: ???
Why are you concerned with whether I apologize for accusing some of misquoting me? I did it on accident, unlike others here. When I see people start apologizing to me for their hateful behavior is the moment I might start apologizing for my reactions to their hatefulness.

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Message 177 of 231 (677201)
10-27-2012 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by jar
10-27-2012 8:34 PM


Re: Hiring anyone that makes decisions based on faith
jar writes:
Why should anyone that shows they are incapable of making a decision based on the evidence and that allows his or her religious beliefs influence legislation ever be elected or hired for any position that requires decision making?
For one thing, this congressman is not incapable of making a decision based on the evidence. He simply doesn't believe in evolution or the big bang. You make a huge leap in logic here. You haven't given me an instance where this congressman allowed his religious beliefs influence legislation. We all have our beliefs and values. Some have roots in religion; some have roots in various philosophies, some have roots in the way they were raised; some have roots in their culture. You cannot escape making a decision that is not in someway influenced by these beliefs and values. You just have your panties all in wad because he doesn't believe in evolution and the big bang. Get back to me when these beliefs have the potential to cause him to change public policy in a meaningful way.

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Message 181 of 231 (677205)
10-27-2012 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by nwr
10-27-2012 8:58 PM


Re: Are you wrong about everything
The accusatory tone is warranted in my opinion. They both had a sarcastic and condescending tone to my simple mistake of using petroleum engineer instead of petroleum geologist. They both jumped to the conclusion that I was ignorant and didn't know what i was talking about. They can stuff their apology.

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foreveryoung
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Message 182 of 231 (677206)
10-27-2012 9:06 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by jar
10-27-2012 9:02 PM


Re: Hiring anyone that makes decisions based on faith
jar writes:
Not being able to make evidence based decisions like not accepting the FACT that evolution happened and that the ONLY explanation available for that evolution is the Theory of Evolution shows that he is incapable of reason based on reality and evidence
It does no such thing. Your reasoning ability is extremely flawed. Believing something or not is not the same as making a decision to DO something!!! He simply believes the bible as he understands it. That is what all TRUE christians do. They do not believe what the bible says based on physical evidence. They believe it because God said his word is true. They simply believe God over physical evidence. Again , believing God over man is not the same as making a public policy decision based on that belief. He has not done so and therefore your getting all worked up about it is more about religious bigotry than anything else.
Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.

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foreveryoung
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Message 184 of 231 (677208)
10-27-2012 9:14 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by jar
10-27-2012 9:09 PM


Re: Hiring anyone that makes decisions based on faith
What you say and what you believe is not the same thing as making a decision to do an action. It seems that you have a mental block here. He is not basing his beliefs on evidence; he is basing his beliefs and what he says to others on God's word. That is what a christian is supposed to do. I am sorry that you are not that kind of christian. When those beliefs control the kind of public policy decisions he makes, then you have a legitimate complaint. As of right now, you are just being a bigot.

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foreveryoung
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Message 185 of 231 (677209)
10-27-2012 9:16 PM


My belief in God is not based on physical evidence. If you are going to castigate broun for believing the bible when it is contradictory to physical evidence then castigate yourself for believing in God when there is no physical evidence.
Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.

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Message 189 of 231 (677215)
10-28-2012 12:50 AM
Reply to: Message 188 by ramoss
10-27-2012 9:29 PM


Re: Please show evidence Murrow said that
Where is the evidence that anybody said anything?????????
You people are a bunch of hypocritical clowns. Thousands of people quote murrow as saying that and yet you give me grief over it. Why do thousands of people attribute the quote to him?? hmmmmmm???
It's not just the internet either you clown.
I'm not going to accept the authorship of any quotes from anybody on this forum from now on because you are all a bunch of hypocrites. I'm sure you can say something is evidence of somebody saying the quote but you cannot prove it. The point is that you cannot prove that anybody said anything unless you have them on tape or camera. so, your silly little stunt about proving the murrow quote is nothing but theatrics and trying to make yourselves seem superior to me. I got the quote from fearandloathing's signature but I don't see any of you fools giving him a hard time about. I had no idea about the quote until I say his signature.
Somebody prove to me that Shakespeare wrote Romeo and Juliet. You can't do it can you? So, just stop it ok?
Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Shortened long long string of "?", which was causing the page to be wide wide.

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foreveryoung
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Message 190 of 231 (677216)
10-28-2012 12:56 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by nwr
10-27-2012 9:27 PM


Re: Are you wrong about everything
I didn't realize that one's actions determined whether one was a christian or not. Sorry charlie....you lose on that account. You don't have a clue what a christian is do you pal????????????????????

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foreveryoung
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Message 199 of 231 (677242)
10-28-2012 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by vimesey
10-28-2012 4:00 AM


Re: Are you wrong about everything
You are judging my whole life based on what I say to a few people here. You have no clue whether I do things that are christian like in the rest of my life. You have no clue what motivates me to make every decisions that I make in my life. You have no idea where my heart is. Every last one of you makes a mockery of the God I worship. Some of you claim to worship this God, but by what you tell me you believe about this God and his book, you have a totally different God than the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Your kind as absolutely ruined this country and I have zero respect for you. It is on that basis that I act the way I do toward you guys on here. It has no bearing whatsoever on whether I am a christian or not. God commands us to hate evil. That is exactly what I do on here. I hate the evil you guys spread and I treat you accordingly.

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foreveryoung
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Message 200 of 231 (677243)
10-28-2012 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by Asgara
10-28-2012 12:14 PM


Re: Are you wrong about everything
All that tells me is that you have no idea what the fruits a true christian is supposed to have.

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foreveryoung
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Message 201 of 231 (677244)
10-28-2012 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by nwr
10-28-2012 12:05 PM


Re: Are you wrong about everything
nwr writes:
No, actions do not determine whether one is a Christian. That is determined by what is in one's heart. However, one's actions do reveal what is in one's heart. And in your case, what they reveal is quite ugly.
There you go judging my heart incorrectly. You cannot judge someones heart based on an emotional reaction. You also cannot judge someones heart when you yourself are not a christian. You are not a christian nwr based on what you say you believe on here. I have yet to hear from a true christian here on evc come to the same conclusion as the non christians on here including types like you who falsely claim to be christians. To make it as simple as possible, being a christian is determined by what you believe and not by what you do. What you do isn't always in line with what you believe. All you guys see is my anger. I don't get angry around true christians. That ought to tell you guys something. Of course it won't because you all have dark and evil hearts.
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foreveryoung
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Message 202 of 231 (677245)
10-28-2012 1:51 PM


If we are going to judge peoples hearts based on their actions, then many of the so called christians in here are not christians at all. I don't judge you by that hypocritical standard though. I judge you by what you believe about what God says in his word.

  
foreveryoung
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Message 203 of 231 (677246)
10-28-2012 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by jar
10-28-2012 9:42 AM


jar writes:
Slow down and read what you just wrote.
What is the difference between believing something when there is NO evidence and believing something where there is evidence and ALL of the evidence shows the belief is false?
Like I said, christians don't believe what God says in his word because of the evidence. Likewise, they don't stop believing what God says in his word because all of the evidence shows the belief is false.
This should actually apply to everyone, not just christians. You shouldn't necessarily stop believing something because all of the evidence shows your belief to be false. There is something to be said for intuition. I follow mine all time and not necessarily in respect to christianity. If we stopped believing something because all of the evidence shows the belief to be false, then there would be times when not all the evidence was available and when that evidence did become available, our belief would turn out to be vindicated. You people worship evidence when it seems to go along with what you already want to believe. You don't handle evidence the right way and you call things evidence that really aren't evidence at all. As I mentioned before, the worst part is that you base your conclusions and your decisions on the false belief that you have ALL the evidence, when many times you don't.

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foreveryoung
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Message 213 of 231 (677288)
10-29-2012 12:55 AM
Reply to: Message 210 by Larni
10-28-2012 3:33 PM


Re: Are you wrong about everything
No he doesn't . You are just showing your ignorance motivated by bigotry.

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