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Author Topic:   "In the end there must have been a creator"
Cobra_snake
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Message 11 of 69 (6702)
03-12-2002 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by quicksink
03-12-2002 8:10 AM


quote:
Originally posted by quicksink:
where is your evidence that the universe has not expanded and contracted a great number of times, possibly an infinite number of times? where is your evidence that we are not one of millions of universes that are currently part of an incredibly large cosmos?

Isn't it true that the universe is slowly losing energy in a way that it would be impossible for it to expand and crunch and expand forever?
If you want to postulate universes within universes and whatnot, that's fine. But that is in no way evidence against God. In fact, you don't have any evidence that your postulation is true, so it is basically a theological decision. Just pointing that out, you may have already known this.

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Cobra_snake
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Message 13 of 69 (6707)
03-12-2002 9:38 PM


I believe that the Laws of Thermodynamics state:
1st Law: The total amount of mass-energy in the universe is constant.
2nd Law: The amount of energy available for work is running out, or entropy is increasing to a maximum.
So I think that there is good evidence that the universe had a beginning, and that an eternal oscillating universe does not seem very feasible.

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Cobra_snake
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Message 18 of 69 (6773)
03-13-2002 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Floris O
03-13-2002 2:30 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Floris O:
Here we go with the second law of thermodynamics again. That lawy states that in a closed system entropy will increase. The earth is per definition not a closed system. Have you ever seen the sun in the sky? Well, that's input of energy.

I believe you are slightly confused with my argument. I never claimed that the 2nd Law violates evolution, I claimed (perhaps incorrectly) that it is inconsistent with an oscillating universe.
"But this is different from "losing" energy. It just means that the energy available for work is reducing. The amount of energy is the same, it just takes different form."
Yes, you are indeed right. Although it DID sound like it, I did not mean to imply that the universe is losing energy.
"I have had this explained to me, but I don't understand it well enough at the moment to explain it to you."
That's fine with me. I'm not quite ready to get into all of this cosmological stuff.

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