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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 609 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
no nukes writes: Similarly, energy and matter produce space-time curvature That is unfounded speculation. On the other hand, it is proven that energy produces velocity and acceleration.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
That is unfounded speculation. On the other hand, it is proven that energy produces velocity and acceleration. If matter and energy did produce space-time curvature, would that mean that curvature is a manifestation? I'm just trying to nail down what a manifestation is.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
To make something manifest is to make it detectable in a physical way. I am familiar with this definition of manifestation. But this cannot possibly be what you mean when you say that momentum is a manifestation of matter. I'm not sure where this is going. There is plenty entity of evidence that Einstein's formulation of the general relativity is correct. No I am not able to directly observed curved space-time, but I am able to observe the effects of such curving. General relativity isn't idle speculation.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Without space and time you cannot have velocity or acceleration, nor can you have momentum without velocity. Space and time are fundamental to physics. And if you wish to exclude them then you must also exclude velocity or acceleration or momentum.
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Alfred Maddenstein Member (Idle past 3994 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
Massless momentum of a photon is one of the delicious heights of the human absurdity.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
I agree.
Christians should be well versed in and live their lives as the Bible instructs. I'm not myself a Christian but I do get annoyed when so called Christians have no idea about the Bible or what it says about Jesus. The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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subbie Member (Idle past 1282 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
I'll ask you the same question I asked Alfred, that he doesn't seem to be able to answer.
How do you explain the phenomenon of gravitational lensing?Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
But is physics studying merely a mathematical abstraction or something they can prove interacts with the world of matter and energy? I don't know why you felt the need to put "merely" in there, but that is the jist of it. Physicists construct abstract mathematical models and then test reality to see how close those constructs come to the real thing. It is what physicists have been doing since empiricism became a part of science. How do you think physics should work? Should physicists make pronouncements from a pulipit and require everyone to believe what the say without any evidence to back it up? This isn't creationism you know.
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Massless momentum of a photon is one of the delicious heights of the human absurdity.
So I suppose Compton Scattering doesn't exist? Compton scattering - Wikipedia
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Alfred Maddenstein Member (Idle past 3994 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
Irrelevant. Photon is a mathematical object. It is a quantity of motion translated called energy in the jargon. That in turn could be reduced to potential distance travelled by an object. A length. That itself may not travel or be scattered which is a kind of travelling. Impossible.
Wave requires a medium necessarily. Waving nothing, or waving vacuum, space-time or whatever the euphemism might be is not allowed by Mother Nature. Impossible and highly irrational proposition. It is one thing to admit, well, we just do not know what the medium might be or we just cannot conceptualise it to date, and another thing to insist that there may be exceptions to the rule and it is just that Mother Nature is a weird momma. Well, she is certainly not. Edited by Alfred Maddenstein, : No reason given.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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You're funny. While you're proclaiming all these things to be impossible, scientists are busy studying and measuring those things.
They can measure the energy differneces in the photon and the electron after the scattering:
And yet you simply proclaim that what they are sitting there doing is impossible.
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Irrelevant. Photon is a mathematical object. It is a quantity of motion translated called energy in the jargon. That in turn could be reduced to potential distance travelled by an object. A length. That itself may not travel or be scattered which is a kind of travelling. Impossible.
The fact of the matter is that the mathematical model for photons does include momentum. This is based on evidence, not faith.
Wave requires a medium necessarily. Waving nothing, or waving vacuum, space-time or whatever the euphemism might be is not allowed by Mother Nature. Then please cite the experiments which demonstrate that this medium exists. Otherwise, your claims are simply based on faith.
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Alfred Maddenstein Member (Idle past 3994 days) Posts: 565 Joined:
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Irrelevant. Wave is what an object or medium does, not what anything is. No medium, no wave. Zero dimensional entities do not qualify as objects. Sorry. You persist in being absurd after your beloved authorities. You can shake a hand, can you hand a shake? If you can send it to the cat by the morning post.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 609 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
Please demonstrate how a wave can propagate without a medium.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1282 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Please answer my question about gravitational lensing. Edited by AdminModulous, : off topic hiddenRidicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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