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NoNukes
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Message 24 of 103 (677468)
10-30-2012 1:44 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by foreveryoung
10-29-2012 11:54 PM


101
How much physics and chemistry have you taken?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 26 of 103 (677476)
10-30-2012 5:12 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by foreveryoung
10-30-2012 3:09 AM


Re: 101
I am curious how you decide what is controversial. When photons were discussed during physics, how did you come to the conclusion that photons did not exist? There was nothing in the Bible to guide you to this conclusion.
What should I conclude about your knowledge of physics when you claim that the spin on a photon 'comes from what phase the wave is in'
Or when you ask "Does a boson of any flavor even have any mass", why shouldn't I conclude that you don't know the definition of 'boson'? After all you don't have to accept the standard model to know whether a helium nucleus has mass. Did you conclude that the basic stuff that you were learning in chemistry about the periodic table was indoctrination and to be rejected? If so, what guided you to that conclusion? Was it the Bible? Surely the existence of helium does not contradict the Bible.
When you ask, "What is so great about 5 standard deviations?" what should I think about your knowledge of statistics? Isn't in fact the significance of that measure rather obvious AND non-controversial?
Some of the stuff you say is just inexplicable using the assumption that you have learned and simply rejected some concepts.
"If they are particles, they possess the phenomena of charge"
Really? You cannot acknowledge even a single particle that has no charge?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 30 of 103 (677492)
10-30-2012 8:21 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Percy
10-30-2012 7:40 AM


Re: 101
I suppose I could have provided links. The statement in question is lifted from Message 53.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 35 of 103 (677525)
10-30-2012 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Percy
10-30-2012 7:40 AM


Re: 101
Actually, after re-reading the statement for the third or fourth time, I have reached the conclusion that FEY's statement only applies to the specific bosons mentioned. I'd like to retract the final example. FEY did not imply that all particles must have charge. He instead attempted to make a distinction between being charged and carrying charge.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 56 of 103 (677603)
10-30-2012 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by foreveryoung
10-30-2012 3:20 PM


Re: 101
I am fully aware of what the physics textbooks say on everything that I have discussed with you.
So all of the things that you post that are clearly erroneous are deliberate? Is it your position that when you say there are no such things as photons, but then decline to explain how the photoelectric effect works without them, then you've challenged what the text books say in some meaningful way?
All I am doing is challenging what they say.
For the most part, you are simply denying what they say. Denying is not challenging. Tell us why you deny and let us evaluate the worth of your denial.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 57 of 103 (677604)
10-30-2012 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Percy
10-30-2012 4:22 PM


Clear writing.
What an exceptionally fine piece of clear writing!
I'm reminded of poster slevesque. I wonder how his studies are going.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 76 of 103 (677754)
11-01-2012 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by foreveryoung
11-01-2012 9:51 AM


I said that you all are dogmatic and cannot think of any other possibilities to certain issues than what you are familiar with because you only read things by people you generally agree with.
If you are presenting these ideas here, we ought to find some of those cogent, coherent arguments, or at least references to them, in your posts. But apparently you are saying that we cannot find that information or a hint to where it might be from you. If you actually know about some of those arguments you ought to use them.
Now that you acept the universe is billions of years old, do you still find the changing constants cosmology convincing and coherent? After all, isn't that stuff rather pointless now? Whymust it be that those posters who didn't find your posts convincing when you made them close-minded. Isn't it at least possible that they just did a better job of understanding things right from the start?
It is absolutely the case that the more stuff you know, the harder it is to spend time on some preposterous idea. But that's because you know more quickly which areas to probe during your investigation. When you know next to nothing, its much easier to latch onto an idea that appeals to you for one reason or another.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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