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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
We all know that there is a continous information flow from environment to organisms and even to the genome,plenty of epigenetic changes loaded to particular genome areas, and many REGULATION MECHANISMS,constantly fuctioning. However, none of these mechanisms guide mutations. Pointing to epigenetics and DNA regulation does not evidence guided mutations.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3646 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
Here are some links:
Read more: Page not found | TIME : Page not found | TIME I quote Why Your DNA Isn't Your Destiny By John Cloud Wednesday, Jan. 06, 2010 Read more: Page not found | TIME For deep evolutional changes in multi-cellular organisms, mutations on DNA to be beneficial, need to be prepared by epigenetic phenotype changes, which facilitate these types of mutation. In one cell and other of low organization evolution is endogenously forced by life momentum.The stress of fear, lack of food, lack of mating opportunities etc., are the main causes of soft or deep changes. As these stresses are empathetically transmitted not only to life peers, but to extant population in wild areas, and to proximal generations , the resultant beneficial mutations are fairly quickly established, reducing the time needed by natural selection to do its work. This long time effect is the main cause of speciation as it expresses deep survival needs. Beneficial mutations produce many variants, so selection process remains important. Differences between mono- and multi cellular organisms, in relation to frequency or ratio of random vs guided mutations. The guiding mechanisms found by Zhang and Saier in one cell organisms are evidence of more complicated such mechanisms in superior life types, where I think are much more common, given the complexity of that life. Randomness is used regularly by nature as an effective and maybe cheap mechanism for its scopes, so it can’t be thought anymore as a random process. More recently, however, researchers have begun to realize that epigenetics could also help explain certain scientific mysteries that traditional genetics never could: for instance, why one member of a pair of identical twins can develop bipolar disorder or asthma even though the other is fine. Or why autism strikes boys four times as often as girls. Or why extreme changes in diet over a short period in Norrbotten could lead to extreme changes in longevity. In these cases, the genes may be the same, but their patterns of expression have clearly been tweaked.(See the best pictures of 2009.) Biologists offer this analogy as an explanation: if the genome is the hardware, then the epigenome is the software. "I can load Windows, if I want, on my Mac," says Joseph Ecker, a Salk Institute biologist and leading epigenetic scientist. "You're going to have the same chip in there, the same genome, but different software. And the outcome is a different cell type." Read more: Page not found | TIME .
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3646 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
It doesn't matter if you think it is stupid or not. Random mutations is what the evidence indicates, and you have not presented any evidence that would lead us to consider guided mutations.
If the waste and the stupidity of the idea is proved over any doupt don't you think your pet Darwinian theory is in danger? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------Here are some links:Page not found | TIME : Page not found | TIME
I quote Why Your DNA Isn't Your Destiny By John Cloud Wednesday, Jan. 06, 2010 Read more: Page not found | TIME For deep evolutional changes in multi-cellular organisms, mutations on DNA to be beneficial, need to be prepared by epigenetic phenotype changes, which facilitate these types of mutation. In one cell and other of low organization evolution is endogenously forced by life momentum.The stress of fear, lack of food, lack of mating opportunities etc., are the main causes of soft or deep changes. As these stresses are empathetically transmitted not only to life peers, but to extant population in wild areas, and to proximal generations , the resultant beneficial mutations are fairly quickly established, reducing the time needed by natural selection to do its work. This long time effect is the main cause of speciation as it expresses deep survival needs. Beneficial mutations produce many variants, so selection process remains important. Differences between mono- and multi cellular organisms, in relation to frequency or ratio of random vs guided mutations. The guiding mechanisms found by Zhang and Saier in one cell organisms are evidence of more complicated such mechanisms in superior life types, where I think are much more common, given the complexity of that life. Randomness is used regularly by nature as an effective and maybe cheap mechanism for its scopes, so it can’t be thought anymore as a random process. More recently, however, researchers have begun to realize that epigenetics could also help explain certain scientific mysteries that traditional genetics never could: for instance, why one member of a pair of identical twins can develop bipolar disorder or asthma even though the other is fine. Or why autism strikes boys four times as often as girls. Or why extreme changes in diet over a short period in Norrbotten could lead to extreme changes in longevity. In these cases, the genes may be the same, but their patterns of expression have clearly been tweaked.(See the best pictures of 2009.) Biologists offer this analogy as an explanation: if the genome is the hardware, then the epigenome is the software. "I can load Windows, if I want, on my Mac," says Joseph Ecker, a Salk Institute biologist and leading epigenetic scientist. "You're going to have the same chip in there, the same genome, but different software. And the outcome is a different cell type." Read more: Page not found | TIME
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3646 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
It doesn't matter if you think it is stupid or not. Random mutations is what the evidence indicates, and you have not presented any evidence that would lead us to consider guided mutations.
If the waste and the stupidity of the idea is proved over any doupt don't you think your pet Darwinian theory is in danger? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------Here are some links:Page not found | TIME : Page not found | TIME
I quote Why Your DNA Isn't Your Destiny By John Cloud Wednesday, Jan. 06, 2010 Read more: Page not found | TIME For deep evolutional changes in multi-cellular organisms, mutations on DNA to be beneficial, need to be prepared by epigenetic phenotype changes, which facilitate these types of mutation. In one cell and other of low organization evolution is endogenously forced by life momentum.The stress of fear, lack of food, lack of mating opportunities etc., are the main causes of soft or deep changes. As these stresses are empathetically transmitted not only to life peers, but to extant population in wild areas, and to proximal generations , the resultant beneficial mutations are fairly quickly established, reducing the time needed by natural selection to do its work. This long time effect is the main cause of speciation as it expresses deep survival needs. Beneficial mutations produce many variants, so selection process remains important. Differences between mono- and multi cellular organisms, in relation to frequency or ratio of random vs guided mutations. The guiding mechanisms found by Zhang and Saier in one cell organisms are evidence of more complicated such mechanisms in superior life types, where I think are much more common, given the complexity of that life. Randomness is used regularly by nature as an effective and maybe cheap mechanism for its scopes, so it can’t be thought anymore as a random process. More recently, however, researchers have begun to realize that epigenetics could also help explain certain scientific mysteries that traditional genetics never could: for instance, why one member of a pair of identical twins can develop bipolar disorder or asthma even though the other is fine. Or why autism strikes boys four times as often as girls. Or why extreme changes in diet over a short period in Norrbotten could lead to extreme changes in longevity. In these cases, the genes may be the same, but their patterns of expression have clearly been tweaked.(See the best pictures of 2009.) Biologists offer this analogy as an explanation: if the genome is the hardware, then the epigenome is the software. "I can load Windows, if I want, on my Mac," says Joseph Ecker, a Salk Institute biologist and leading epigenetic scientist. "You're going to have the same chip in there, the same genome, but different software. And the outcome is a different cell type." Read more: Page not found | TIME
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3646 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
However, none of these mechanisms guide mutations. Pointing to epigenetics and DNA regulation does not evidence guided mutations.
I am not trying to show how epigenetics pave the way to mutations.Other well equipped scientists will be be able to do this. At present i am satisfied just to show the absurdities of the "classic" theory.
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
If the waste and the stupidity of the idea is proved over any doupt don't you think your pet Darwinian theory is in danger? You may think it is stupid for the Earth to move about the Sun, but the reality is that it does. You are commiting the Fallacy of Incredulity: Argument from incredulity - RationalWiki We observe that mutations are random with respect to fitness. You have not offered a single observation that demonstrates that mutations are guided.
Here are some links Where in those links can we find a mechanism that guides mutations?
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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am not trying to show how epigenetics pave the way to mutations. You need to show how epigenetics guides mutations so that they are only beneficial and do not produce neutral or detrimental mutations. Where have you done that?
At present i am satisfied just to show the absurdities of the "classic" theory.
All you are doing is making an argument from incredulity which is a logical fallacy.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3646 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
You need to show how epigenetics guides mutations so that they are only beneficial and do not produce neutral or detrimental mutations. Where have you done that?
I many times had said that my theory allows the existance of neutral or deleterious mutations together with beneficial.Nor you ,nor as ST. DAWKINS did, can state a single case of randommutation leading to new species.so you are not to any advantagious place in relation to my theory. But in addition,you are in the difficult position of explainig that inpropable and totally unuderstandable waste, on the limit of the ubsurddity,of the epigenetic work that was taken place in each organism over thousands of years. Edited by zi ko, : No reason given.
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Well, you have made some progress. Thanks for linking to additional info. But unfortunately, all you linked to was an opinion article. There's no real meat there for me to digest. And, it has nothing to do with guided mutation. You said you're content with discrediting the current paradigm, but, unfortunatetly, your opinoin piece does't really go against the current theory. I realize you don't give a shit about having any kind of scientific support for you idea, so I'm not going to waste any more of my time arguing with you about it at this time. Maybe in the future I'll tell you again how you have no leg to stand on and that you're full of shit. Good day sir.
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
I many times had said that my theory allows the existance of neutral or deleterious mutations together with beneficial. Then what is the point of guided mutations?
Nor you ,nor as ST. DAWKINS did, can state a single case of random mutation leading to new species. Compare the human and chimp genome. The differences between those genomes are the result of random mutations.
But in addition,you are in the difficult position of explainig that inpropable and totally unuderstandable waste, on the limit of the ubsurddity,of the epigenetic work that was taken place in each organism over thousands of years. That is an argument from incredulity. I don't need to explain your difficulty in accepting reality.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3646 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
I many times had said that my theory allows the existance of neutral or deleterious mutations together with beneficial.
Then what is the point of guided mutations?
Compare the human and chimp genome. The differences between those genomes are the result of random mutations.
They equally well could due to the procedure of loose guidance.
That is an argument from incredulity. I don't need to explain your difficulty in accepting reality.
Reality is the big issue. How can we know it?
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
What you appear to be saying is that you don't understand 'x' and maybe 'y' is explainition.
Just because you don't understand 'x' does not mandate that 'y' is true. It could be true but one can only judge based on the evidence. Do you see, now? Edited by Larni, : No reason given.The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Guidance is loose, just to restrict the needed number of random mutations.
If you buy more lottery tickets does the lottery cease to be random?
They equally well could due to the procedure of loose guidance.
Based on what evidence?
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3646 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
Guidance is loose, just to restrict the needed number of random mutations. If you buy more lottery tickets does the lottery cease to be random? Based on what evidence? About metazoans, on the same amount of evidence you have for randomness, and with no any scientific obligation to to give any account of why such a usefull work done by epigenetics for many many years in a species has to be ignored by true science and and has to become useless and go astray .
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
This analogy does not fit to reality so it is unfortunate. We don't have more tickets, but less numbers to choose from. There some difference. How so?
About metazoans, on the same amount of evidence you have for randomness, What is that evidence?
and with no any scientific obligation to to give any account of why such a usefull work done by epigenetics for many many years in a species has to be ignored by true science and and has to become useless and go astray .
The account is that mutations are random, so detrimental mutations do occur. I have been giving you the account from the very start of this thread.
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