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Author Topic:   A Study of Intelligent Design Debate
LudvanB
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Message 169 of 210 (6338)
03-08-2002 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by KingPenguin
02-07-2002 6:23 PM


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Originally posted by KingPenguin:
i meant native americans. i guess you might never be able to change my mind because there too many assumptions and guesses that have to made for the ToE to be proven.

oh my....reading that or being blind...hum....dont know which is better.
There's nothing BUT assumptions and guesses in creationism....its not substanciated by ANY EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER....not even the begining of a shred of it...

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LudvanB
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Message 177 of 210 (6430)
03-09-2002 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by KingPenguin
03-09-2002 1:53 AM


quote:
Originally posted by KingPenguin:
if i were an evolutionist id probably choose blind too but the difference between the two is that creationism is pure faith and does not need evidence. Evolution would require an exact dateline of all mutations from now to whenever evolutionists think the earth was created, because if one part was missing then us creationists would be able to use divine intervention as an explanation. Religion cant be a science and science cant be a religion, thats where we both make horrible mistakes.

Fact of the matter is i'm not an evolutionist...but it seems like the most resonable explanation so far so i tend to lean toward it. Plus,i've reviewed to much historical evidence that cast several doubts on th biblical accounts to simply accept creationist version without rock solid evidence...which is not forth comming so far

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LudvanB
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Message 179 of 210 (6439)
03-09-2002 10:57 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by KingPenguin
03-09-2002 5:16 PM


quote:
Originally posted by KingPenguin:
you will never get rock solid evidence on anything epescially anything relating to Jesus or the bible.

I see no reason why not....if they do exist,then proving their existance should be possible somehow,someway,someday.

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LudvanB
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Message 184 of 210 (6519)
03-11-2002 1:35 AM
Reply to: Message 180 by KingPenguin
03-10-2002 12:30 AM


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Originally posted by KingPenguin:
your right but when the apocalypse comes itll be too late to save you.

Excuse me...when what apocalypse comes exactly? I can name you at least 5 that should have occured within the last 100 years so perhaps could you clarify as to what appocalypse we're supposed to get.

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LudvanB
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Message 188 of 210 (6751)
03-13-2002 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by KingPenguin
03-11-2002 11:09 PM


quote:
Originally posted by KingPenguin:
read the bible plz. the book of revelations explains this.

OH i see....you're talking about the christian MYTHOLOGICAL appocalypse...whih,incidently,was supposed to occur in the lifetime of Jesus's disciples...almost 2000 years ago.

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LudvanB
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Message 190 of 210 (6756)
03-13-2002 4:28 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by TrueCreation
03-13-2002 4:04 PM


quote:
Originally posted by TrueCreation:
"OH i see....you're talking about the christian MYTHOLOGICAL appocalypse...whih,incidently,was supposed to occur in the lifetime of Jesus's disciples...almost 2000 years ago."
--Actually I already showed you how it wasn't.. It seems you are fond of renewing arguments that have had their cages raddled allready.

Actually TC,you have showed that you CHOOSE to believe that this wasen't the case with your personal interpretation of the words of Jesus,an interpretation which i consider fatally flawed,since Jesus was quite clear that he would be returning in their(the actual persons he was talking to) lifetime. You seem to imply that by that he meant "in your and your descendant's lifetime" but the only place where evidence for that interpretation exists is,it would seem,inside your head.
Oh and for the record,TC,you have not shown anything to anyone in all the time i've come here...you have given YOUR opinion on matters of evolution and creation but perhaps you should seek someone to explain to you the difference between FACTS and YOU OPINION on facts.

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LudvanB
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Message 193 of 210 (6784)
03-14-2002 2:54 AM
Reply to: Message 191 by TrueCreation
03-13-2002 9:20 PM


quote:
Originally posted by TrueCreation:
"Actually TC,you have showed that you CHOOSE to believe that this wasen't the case with your personal interpretation of the words of Jesus,an interpretation which i consider fatally flawed,since Jesus was quite clear that he would be returning in their(the actual persons he was talking to) lifetime. You seem to imply that by that he meant "in your and your descendant's lifetime" but the only place where evidence for that interpretation exists is,it would seem,inside your head."
--I guess that when it comes to this, were going to have different views arent we? Meaning that such context is interperetable in this degree (in my opinion, as you have stated, you seem to be pulling it to an extreme), so it is not a valid argument either way is it and should therefor be irrelevant?
LUD:i am pulling nothing to an extreme. I interpret Jesus words for what they are,not for what I may want them to be personally...which is the crux of my problem with creationist...their interpretations always depends on what they want,not on what is. Evolutionists,despite wild claims to the contrary,do not want to disprove God...that doesn't even enter in the equation as far as they are concerned. The universe exists and evidence points to it having been evolving for quite some time now. Weather it began as an act of God is irrelevent to the question of evolution.
"Oh and for the record,TC,you have not shown anything to anyone in all the time i've come here...you have given YOUR opinion on matters of evolution and creation but perhaps you should seek someone to explain to you the difference between FACTS and YOU OPINION on facts."
--Would you seriously like me to go through your posts since you have come here and quote yoruself in which I have either showed you to be incorrect, missunderstanded, ill-informed, and flawed? You made this statement earlier and I responded with this same thing, I actually had a pile of links at least 48 I believe in which your view was shown to be incorrect, though at the time my temp folder was cleared so when you refreshed it was gone. I am quite sure you would not like me to so, I have been considerably informative in these forums, I am quite sure many could agree on this.
LUD:you can indicate whatever post i made you feel you didn't understand properly and i'll be happy to explain them to you. Also,i never said that you do not provide information...i said that you provide information and then give an opinion on it which i or other on this board dont share most of the time so the only thing that you have SHOWN is your opinion on the facts you present...like the exemple at hand for instance. If i tell you that i will do this and that in your lifetime,will you take this to mean that i'll accomplish whatever i said before YOU die of before your DESCENDENTS disapear from the face of the earth. If Jesus had said these things to you,can you honnestly say that you would have understood he meant in the lifetime of the human race as opposed to your own lifetime?


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LudvanB
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Message 194 of 210 (6785)
03-14-2002 3:13 AM
Reply to: Message 192 by KingPenguin
03-13-2002 10:49 PM


quote:
Originally posted by KingPenguin:
i would and i dont see how his opinions are any different from assumptions made by scientists.

I'm not saying that it is...i'm saying that using the terminology "i have allready shown you this or that..." implies that he has somehow PROVEN his point and that i was simply being obstinate on beating a dead horse,which is completely and utterly FASLE. My point is every bit as valid as his or yours in this matter because it is greatly a matter of broad interpretation...but his(and your) interpretation is largly affected by what you WANT as opposed to what IS. You both WANT for the Bible to be true and for Jesus,God,Noah,ect to have existed in the form described in it whereas i dont really care either way...if the Bible is true,than its true and if its not,well its not but i have faith that if God exists,IT's a just God that does not require me to believe in such a narrow interpretation of its nature that is simply not supported by the evidence we gather...IN MY OPINION...i have faith that God does not fault me for my curiosity,my occasional skepticism and my NEED to understand the intricate workings of the universe and most importantly,i have faith that if there is such a place as hell,i've lived a good enough life that i wont be sent there once i croak simply because i was not presented with enough evidence in this life to believe in your or TC's literal interpretation of the Bible. Jesus said,the way to God is through me...and since the way of Jesus is to love your neighbor as you love yourself,i've allready found the way to God.

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