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Author Topic:   Down To The Wire 2012 >>POLITICS<<
xongsmith
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Message 26 of 143 (676123)
10-19-2012 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by NoNukes
10-18-2012 8:58 PM


Re: Electoral Votes
NoNukes says:
I believe there are only two states that do not use winner takes all. Maine and Nebraska. If every state went to the split system we would end up with something approximating a direct popular vote election without having to alter the constitution.
Except that the small population states would still have a disproportionately higher power per voter. This is due to the electoral college being the sum of the number of representatives PLUS the 2 senators. Since the small states know this and will never yield to any constitutional amendment that levels the playing field to one citizen - one vote, we are stuck with this defect. Plus there will always be hold outs to changing over to this method by certain stubborn states anyway. I think Ohio enjoys all the attention they are getting and would be reluctant to let go of it. Kind of sad.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Message 36 of 143 (676291)
10-21-2012 1:28 PM


Do you suffer from the crushing agony of Cognitive Dissonace?
Here may be the solution to your suffering now:

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Message 87 of 143 (676898)
10-25-2012 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Rahvin
10-25-2012 3:58 PM


Re: A House Divided
Sorry...just an annoying nitpick....
Rahvin writes:
popular opinion is a series of layers of Zen diagrams
- I think you meant Venn diagrams?
Not sure how Zen diagrams would work here, as they may be more like a glass onion's layers. If that.

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Message 140 of 143 (678797)
11-10-2012 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Taq
10-25-2012 7:17 PM


Re: How Citizens Voted FOR Obamacare
Taq raises this issue:
I have been known to pick nits about these issues when I discuss politics with people. People tell me that surely the US is a democratic nation. I retort by asking them how they voted on Obamacare. That always gets them thinking.
Here is how it happened - sort of:
The People's Republic of Massachusetts was able to put Ted Kennedy in office repeatedly, where he could champion for Universal Care some 40 years or so and he got reelected by his voters. Nancy Pelosi also was getting reelected in California. And all the people who were in on pushing for it were being reelected, because they appealed to their constituents in this area enough.
Then we have the election of Barack Obama, who was leaning towards some kind of reform here. The people who voted for him were voting for *something* that eventually became Obamacare.
There were people who voted against him and had been voting in over many years for representatives from the other side. These Representatives wound up voting for the bastard child Obamacare in a game of give & take, with the medical insurance cartel and the big pharma cartel making sure they still had a lot to say in how Obamacare would eventually eventuate, as Howard Cosell would report. They wanted to be able to enjoy their obscene profits.
Yet, Obamacare was still not really voted in yet. There would be this 2012 election. Romney ran on a platform that blatantly advertised they would repeal Obamacare, while Obama ran on a platform that would re-confirm it.
And so it was, indeed, for over a period of maybe up to 50 years, that gradually the American citizens indeed voted for Obamacare.
This is how representative democracy works. Perhaps nobody got what they wanted, but they found something they were all willing to live with. And the evil component won again with clever advertising (still a major defect of homo sapiens) and perhaps the high stock ownings of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
Edited by xongsmith, : Puching???
Edited by xongsmith, : Finish that sentence by starting it right.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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