Cern Debate:

No one is useful really, that is why I wrote the letter. I want scientists to not rule out potentials. you have to have the ability to research the potentials, and if you close a potential that is the answer, the path to its discovery is an accident of researching something else.Science needs funding. and if people will pay for research into the potential that we live inside of a living thing, then it's a greater chance of discovering how to communicate with that greater being sooner than later.And even if the science was to never discover that, be it by limitations, or by evidence to support the opposite: knowledge and discovery will still have been made, such as with brain research, and space explorations.Would you agree? The only thing I'm proposing is to do research we already do, under a different theme, with more money. The same reality is being scrutinized, but with a different object in mind for the end question to be answered: Is it possible, that there is a greater being we exist in, that it has consciousness?

Hi Tesla,You seem to be arguing that science may be able to get more funding if they put a religious slant on it. Do I have that right?--Percy

No. Religious is the wrong word to add to science. I'm saying the religious will help fund science to the end of looking for higher being.Science does not have slants. Science is Science.

If that were true it would simply show that the religious haven't really thought things through; that they are bent on destroying the very concept of a higher being.

I don't follow. How does seeking ‘God’ destroy your concept of higher being?

Anything science can study can only be natural and so any god science might find, study, understand cannot be a higher being but just another natural thing we understand.

Oh, okay, I see, a higher being isn't religious, it's scientific.--Percy

Hi Phat, YES.BUT reality can not exist until there is existence.Atoms are the basic building blocks of ordinary matter.Atoms are composed of particles called protons, electrons and neutrons.These protons, electrons and neutrons are composed of quarks and gluons.If no quarks and gluons existed, then there would be no protons, electrons and neutrons, which means no atoms would exist.That would be a state of non-existence.If you had a state of non-existence there would be no potential.There must be existence for potential to exist. What would this universe you are talking about be made out of?Without existence there would be no atoms that makes up matter to construct it out of.But where would the universe you are talking about begin to exist, if there was a state of non-existence.?But if a universe existed before the physical laws can be defined it would still be subject to those physical laws.The universe we live in obeyed what we call the physical laws for billions of years before man defined them.God Bless,

First, God bless you as well ICANT.Second, I have this feeling that the human mind, being so tied up with the idea of cause and effect, is at the moment insufficiently endowed to provide an answer.What happened prior to the singularity is pretty much the same question as who were God's parents.Perhaps the problem is not in the stars, but rather in ourselves, Horatio.

So if higher being is natural, we can study it. but like physics, that doesn't mean we will understand all of it.

Religious has nothing to do with higher being in the context of science. Anyone can choose to be religious and worship whatever you want to as 'God'.But in the scientific realm no one really ignores potentials concerning higher being. For instance: how much has been spent on the search for Alien life? For many, belief in a higher Alien life-form is a real possibility, and money is spent on it.There are unlimited possibilities in that realm. The entire universe we live in could be a cell in a greater 'universe' we are not even aware of. I should not have to remind you how small the earth is in our system.Do you think it is possible you live inside of a living thing? Is there evidence that living things live inside living things, unaware of what is beyond that living thing?Is it arrogance of man when mankind sets themselves to be the most intelligent thing in the universe because we figured out how some of it works? Or is mankind really as great as many humans would like to believe? After all, the human body and mind is an awesome bit of engineering.But you don't care about none of that do you? you want PV=nRT, Pie dee squared / four. A string of algebra with a number at the end that shows 2 million Kilowatts will produce an atom of gold.Science wants to know everything, and scientists do too, but what scientists do not want to know is if there is a higher being? oooh wait that's right, you’re not the only scientists out there, you just want to convince everyone that religion is bad, science is right, and go back to drinking coffee and doing math.Is it even possible to have a real conversation without you throwing some negative value and connotations to anything that you can interpret as adding to a religious person's belief?You have plenty of cannon fodder here, but how about simply answering this one question: Is higher being a possibility?

Yes. We have no idea what idea we even wish to discover, apart from having the answer. Not only have we bitten off more than we can chew...we never will be able to chew this much.

Well...maybe. But the moon was an impossibility until we set foot on it.My fear is we will not be given much of a chance in the cycle of things. We will be living underground for centuries, and possibly nearly extinct due to the changing chemistry of our atmosphere being well ahead of the abilities of evolution. Maybe we can hasten evolution through selective breeding and biological chemistry...Anyways, one has to have a question that needs an answer before you can do any science. So the question of higher being still needs a real answer, and it's worth researching. Mankind will have a lot to gain along the way, even if the answer is never found along the way.It's frustrating that so many look for the final answer without taking the path that leads to the answer. Like when you’re doing math on a systems flow and you do not calculate density of the substance. you will get the wrong answer.The search for higher being cannot be looked for without knowing some crucial points that will enable us to look. Light is a record of many things, but maybe other wavelengths are also records. you have to actually spend money on that kind of research, and knowing how the brain writes information and stores it will be an important piece of the puzzle.I think that a vast majority of people are beginning to wake up and realize old books and past writings can contain some truths, but that what we know today is greater than what writers of old knew. So that battle is won, yet we are missing the opportunity to advance science through funding of those who would fund research on the brain and space with the question being sought to answer is "Is there a higher being" which cannot be answered until we know more about communications between living things at the atomic level.Imagine being able to speak to a dolphin clearly in its own language, not by the clicks or verbal messages, but through the brain with a device that reads and sends information to its brain via the brains language.Having that power would enable us to use that language potentially sent via a satellite and see what comes of it.What are your thoughts on my musing of this?

But just like physics, it would not be a higher being, just another natural being.

I cannot figure out your thinking...so...to you God is not natural?Anything that is actually true will be natural. Super or not-natural, is only considered that because it is beyond understanding.If your God is real, he is natural. If he only exists in your mind, then sure, you can call that super-natural. But like a dream, a thought is not substantial. Thoughts are potentially substantial, but if true, will find validation through a natural way.But science does not have the answers to everything. So old super-natural things have been found natural, and there are other super-natural concepts that also have a natural explanation once we figure out what’s going on. But without research, we will never know.