States petition for secession

Yes, the US Civil War was a precedent but that does not mean it cannot change. Dred-Scott set a precedent.

Currently the ten states with the highest number of Federal employees are California, Virginia, Texas, Maryland, Florida, Georgia, Pennsylvania, New York, Washington and Ohio. Most of those jobs would immediately disappear and some would be replaced by a consulate or embassy position. source

The loss of the money generated by military bases would devastate many communities, Fayettville NC would surely hate to see Fort Bragg shut down. Edited by fearandloathing, : spelling

Yeah, the infrastructure of our country is so interwoven that the attempting to separate would place such undue hardship upon the citizenry of the state attempting to do so. Again, it just seems like those who are advancing this idea are not even concerned with the actual details that would come along.@ Rahvin - I agree that we should have all learned our lesson from that whole Civil War thingy that happened. However, I will say that the infighting/arguing I saw this year was far more aggressive than any prior election year that I have seen.

Hi Tempe 12ft Chicken Let Texas go: it would be no great loss, and then we can let all the other people move to the new nation of Texas in exchange for all those who would like to move out..

1. Texas is a net taker of federal funds, so this would improve the budget and the economy.
2. Texas electoral votes (reliable "red" state with 38 votes) would be removed from future election calculations, thus letting the rest of the country to be more liberal
3. Texas exerts an out of proportion amount of effect on classroom text books, watering down science, so we could be freed of this effect.
4. This would reduce the senate GOP by two, making it 53 dems, 43 gops, 2 independents (and 43/98 = 43% ...)
5. This would reduce the representative GOP by 22, dems by 10, for net reduction of 12

Overall a benefit for the rest of us.Enjoy.

It's not just the Federal jobs. The nation of Texas would lose funding for about 350,000 positions but only about 2% of the land area is US Federal property, but in North Carolina almost 12% of the land is Federal Property.That land would either have to be excluded from the state or the US compensated for its value.Other states like California face even larger financial burdens since over 40% of the land area in California is US Federal Property.

Hi Tempe 12ft Chicken Seeing as they have virtually identical wording and phrasing, I suspect an organized movement (like ALEC) of being behind this, rather that citizen uprising ...Enjoy.

But this is not true. No state has petitioned to secede. Crazy people have petitioned that those states should secede. Well, not only can crazy people living in those states start a petition to secede, so can crazy people living outside those states. If a nut living in Alabama wants Oregon out of the union, then he can start a petition saying so. So the Oregon petition is unsurprising not just because it can be started if there's one nut living in Oregon, but because it can be started if there's one nut not living in Oregon.

Justaminnit, RAZD!!!! The water we add to that science is PURE OGALLALA AQUIFER WATER, pumped at no inconsiderable expense from out of the Caprock right up the road towards Lubbock! Don't be defaming our State Board of Education!

You are correct and I should have been more clear in the opening that this is not from the states, but rather from some members of their population. However, every one that I looked at, even states that would not be expected (I did not check all of them) seemed to be started by someone in the state. Although, this does fit in perfectly with your comment of one nut living in Oregon could have started it.

As I understand how it works, you do not need to be a US citizen to serve in the US military. Military service is a path to citizenship, but I do not believe that it is a requirement. For example, we have gotten many Phillipinos enlisting and retiring to go home to live in the Phillipines and receive their retirement pay there (one Navy CAPT I served with was involved in a fraud investigation where the family did not report the death of the retired member and kept cashing his checks).No idea about Social Security in such a case, though. PS
Oh, most definitely build the tallest wall we can!Edited by dwise1, : PS

There's a long history of secession movements in this country: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_the_United_States.Here's a list of secession proposals: http://en.wikipedia.org/...of_U.S._state_secession_proposals. I didn't see the ones that you have mentioned. Just more of the same type of wing-nuttery that Republicans have sunk to.

LMAO! America! Home of the Free....unless things don't go our way and then we will seriously discuss leaving the Union.I was unaware how often secession had been a topic, but it seems that whenever we get our rights infringed upon slightly our first reaction is...Screw this, I am outta here!I would also like to point out that if this is Repubs completing these petitions, weren't they the individuals during the Bush administration saying, "if you don't like it, then leave the country"! They did not say, "If you don't like it, leave the country but please take some land with you."abe - The ones we are talking about are not legislative measures to secede at this time, but rather some members of the population have asked to secede through the whitehouse.gov petition site. You can find the full list following the link in the OP.Edited by Tempe 12ft Chicken, : No reason given.

This is a new thing, the We the People program was launched last year, it says White House will respond to any petition that receives 25,000 or more signatures within 30 days.

Sounds like a few on the right are just employing some of Saul D. Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals."Folks shouldn't object to that, should they?