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tesla
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Message 46 of 51 (679404)
11-13-2012 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by GDR
11-13-2012 6:48 PM


Re: Is Science Knocking on Heaven's Door?
Would you consider yourself a pantheist?
I consider myself a pohilosopher, a student of life. I do not like to rule out possibilities, but I like to follow what is most probable.
quote:
Pantheism is the view that everything is part of an all-encompassing, immanent God
-Encyclopedia of Philosophy ed. Paul Edwards. New York: Macmillan and Free Press. 1967. pp. 34.
I believe this is most probably true, yet the meaning of the statement can change quickly with different definitions for God.
Isn't that what theists believe they do on one level or another now? Isn't prayer an attempt to reach our from our consciousness in order to communicate with that greater species namely God?
I'm pretty sure that is exactly what they believe. but having been a theist, I cannot explain certain events in my life, but I do not have validation of them, nor whether or not my prayers were heard by other humans and brought true, or bore fruit due to the peace my mind and heart received for having prayed. or if God has power. I still pray. I'd say prayer is healthy. But I'm pretty sure the thoughts that come from prayer are the answers that we already knew if we ask the right questions. But the mystery of dreams reminds me that consciousness has mystery.
I think in my previous post I was suggesting that science is getting closer to understanding what is beyond what we currently call the natural. Presumably another universe at this point would be supernatural but if science is able to identify it then presumably what was supernatural becomes natural
My sentiments exactly.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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Message 47 of 51 (679425)
11-13-2012 8:36 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by tesla
11-13-2012 7:13 PM


Re: Is Science Knocking on Heaven's Door?
tesla writes:
But the mystery of dreams reminds me that consciousness has mystery.
I have wondered about dreams for years. In our dreams we can see and identify things visually but our eyes are closed. Our consciousness is asleep but we still have thoughts. Very strange.
The more science advances the more it seems that the foundations of our perceived existence is totally non-intuitive.
Here is an article on the research into other dimensions at the Fermilab.
Other Dimensions and Neutrinos
What would we experience if instead of being photon detectors we were neutrino detectors?

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.
Micah 6:8

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tesla
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Message 48 of 51 (679464)
11-13-2012 11:11 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by GDR
11-13-2012 8:36 PM


Re: Is Science Knocking on Heaven's Door?
Here is an article on the research into other dimensions at the Fermilab.
Other Dimensions and Neutrinos
What would we experience if instead of being photon detectors we were neutrino detectors?
That’s a very interesting question. I watch plant life, and notice that they absorb specific nutrients, and communicate via chemical releases that are detected by trees of its own species. That’s vision I suppose, to be able to receive.
Sound is received, but is less valuable? Maybe it's the interpretation of the wavelengths that is different. Can anyone see sound? (Bats?) Or see a flavor?
I wonder how the brain is interpreting sensory data, is it an algorithm? Is it some on/off zero and one, or what?
See, we can read, and write and store every sensory data type on a computer we want to, send it across a few states and store it forever, and our brains seem to do that with chemical tracing, electricity, and cell behavior. Does that mean we need scientists from each of those fields examining the systems for organization? Or can one researcher with enough college do the task alone?
Oh...about the other dimensions:
At a certain point of size, it becomes invisible as a single entity and appears to be a whole. For instance a wall: which has what appears to be areas of 'space' between molecules. But if closer examined, you notice the space is not empty, but composed of particles, which when closer examined appear as a whole.
If you can imagine that...it is like imagining infinity. Sure it's real, as a bubble descends into the deep of an ocean, it shrinks as it descends . To follow that pattern things look quite different, as if string theory is spring theory; the bubbles wavelength increases as it spirals smaller and descends deeper, faster, faster! And then... it looks like a line.
So limited in vision...to not watch what happens as it gets bigger. The line becomes a speedy wave...then slower in wavelength, as it rises, and expands, becoming larger and larger, slower and slower the wavelength gets so big that from where you stand, all you see is a line from -infinity to infinity.
The larger it gets, the more that is contained within it.
So at what wavelength along that system is the earth?
Edited by tesla, : So at wavelength along that system is the earth?
Edited by tesla, : what

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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tesla
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Message 49 of 51 (679466)
11-13-2012 11:28 PM
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11-13-2012 8:36 PM


Re: Is Science Knocking on Heaven's Door?
quote:
a fourth kind of neutrino may be bouncing in and out of extra dimensions.
Well...I guess I'll share a link, it explains how a shape can look weird or invisible better than I can. It could be relevant to the behavior. *shrug*
Invisibility cloaking in 'perfect' demonstration - BBC News

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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Message 50 of 51 (679535)
11-14-2012 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by tesla
11-13-2012 6:25 PM


Re: Beware the jabberwock my son!
You are not even listening. you are closing your eyes and your ears. you have made whatever your belief is your mantra, you know I've pointed out a valuable and real path to exploring and demystifying what is called God, and you will not accept that.
But that is only one potential. There are an infinite number of other potentials.
I'm discussing reality.
No, you are discussing potentials.

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tesla
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Message 51 of 51 (679623)
11-14-2012 10:10 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Taq
11-14-2012 11:05 AM


Re: Beware the jabberwock my son!
No, you are discussing potentials.
True enough. so explore what you can.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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