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redstang281 Inactive Member |
quote: The judgment is fair. The punishment isn't fair. For disobeying God I believe the punishment we receive is fair. Yet God gives us redemption through Jesus Christ which shows his limitness love and forgiveness.
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redstang281 Inactive Member |
quote: For a man to deny me life because I am just like him, that is not fair. For God to deny me life because I am not like him, that is fair. Because of course we are not like God. But in order to judge someone of something you must yourself lack that which you judge them on. So therefor if God gives us the death penalty for what we are, then yes that is fair. But how man A say man B is guilty of death simply for being a man, when man A is a man as well? You see the judgement of man would be hypocritical, but the judgement of God would not.
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redstang281 Inactive Member |
I ask athiest and evolutionist to think in terms of creation for one momment please. If everyone from Adam until present day obeyed the law in the bible of waiting until marriage to have sex, don't you think std's would barely be anything of a problem?
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redstang281 Inactive Member |
quote: Some std's can not be prevented. Ghoneria, crabs... etc. I'm not saying a model for society should be judged on it's basis of combating std's, I'm saying that if we listened to the bible we wouldn't have to fight std's as much. But I will go as far as to claim that this is one example of how if society was based on God's law that it would be perfect. [This message has been edited by redstang281, 12-12-2001]
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redstang281 Inactive Member |
quote: Perfect was probably the wrong word, lack of suffering or pain maybe a better definition.
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redstang281 Inactive Member |
quote: There's less risky sex, but no such thing as safe sex.
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redstang281 Inactive Member |
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Whaaaaaaat? Because ;
1/ You imply all men are alike & can't judge each other, it would seem courts of law are unfair by merely judging others. You want to live in a world with no courts?[/b][/QUOTE] No man can make a global judgement on mankind like God can. In God's eye's we are all the same and all guilty of at least some kind of sin in one way shape or form. The only different between one man and another is whether or not he accepts Jesus. Lets say the nature of man is he will always make mistakes and always sin. Lets it also be known that my view on whether or not a judgement is fair is based on whether or not it is hypocritical. So therefor man can not judge another man soley or only on the fact that he is a man. We are all mankind. That would be hypocritical. If man A judges man B on an action that man A didn't performan but man B did, than that is not hypocritical. If God judges mankind on any mistake or sin it is never hypocritical because God can not sin or make a mistake.
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Its OK then for me to kill the man next door because hes dark skinned & a Hindu, & not like me?[/b][/QUOTE] God says he is like you because he is man, and you are man. So no it's not ok.
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You seem to be attributing all the crimes man will ever commit, to all men. Just because I can murder someone doesn't mean I will. It means I've exercised the free will God gave me to not murder someone. Someone that did murder, can be judged accordingly by the appropriate authorities. It is NOT FAIR FOR BABIES THAT HAVE COMMITED NO CRIME BY DINT OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL TO HAVE THEIR LIVES SNUFFED OUT.[/b][/QUOTE] Mankind values different crimes differently. God does not. Any law of God's that you break is on the same level as any other. It all shows disobediance to God.
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Consider a child that is born "perfect" compared to one that is suffering terribly & has hours to live? Both guilty of being human, yet God makes one suffer & one not. ANY way you put it, this is a dictionary definition of unfairness.[/b][/QUOTE] I can not pretend to know the intentions of God, but I'm certain that even though he doesn't control us he knows what will happen in the future. Maybe the child who dies would be one who would not accept him anyways. But regardless I believe the concept of the word fair extents beyond our comprehension. But by our definition of the word fair, we are also not fair to God. If you truely want a Christian answer to why you think God is not fair then go to any searh engine and type that exactly in. Here is a link to one example http://www.fcfonline.org/ARTICLES/why_god_is_not_fair.htm it is explaned by a smarter man than I.
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Ergo, God is unfair.Whats the point of free will if you're going to be judged GUILTY anyhow. [/b][/QUOTE] Man can't judge God because he doesn't understand God. The point of free will is so we can accept that we are guilty (among other things.) Here is a parable I think is very good. "Noted author and lecturer Josh McDowell provided a good analogy demonstrating God's just, righteous nature combined with his mercy and grace: An incident that took place several years ago in California illuminates what Jesus did on the cross in order to solve the problem God had with dealing with the sin of humanity. A young woman was picked up for speeding. She was ticketed and taken before the judge. The judge read off the citation and said "Guilty or not guilty?". The woman replied, "Guilty". The judge brought down the gavel and fined her $100 or ten days. Then an amazing thing took place. The judge stood up, took off his robe,walked down around in front, took out his billfold, and paid the fine. What's the explanation of this? The judge was her father. He loved his daughter, yet he was a just judge. His daughter had broken the law and he couldn't simply say to her "Because I love you so much, I forgive you. You may leave". If he had done that, he wouldn't have been a righteous judge. He wouldn't have upheld the law. But he loved his daughter so much that he was willing to take off his judicial robe and come down in front and represent her as her father and pay the fine1. In light of the attributes of God we know to be true in our hearts, such as His holiness, righteousness, compassion, and mercy, Christianity is the only religion that makes sense."
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redstang281 Inactive Member |
Was everyone asking me those questions to try and disprove God to me, or to try and better understand the Christian concept of God?
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redstang281 Inactive Member |
quote: Just because we are being punished doesn't mean God doesn't love us. That's all I'm trying to say.
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redstang281 Inactive Member |
quote: I completly proved that point wrong. Because you can't do something doesn't mean you can't try to do something. That concept is really that simple to understand.
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redstang281 Inactive Member |
quote: Do you think there is one person who has ever lived on this earth who hasn't made a mistake?
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redstang281 Inactive Member |
quote: If you could show me someone who has never made a mistake than maybe you would have something there. I think you're just trying your hardest not to see my point.
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redstang281 Inactive Member |
quote: Not commiting adultry is just one of the rules. There would be other rules they would have broken. My theory is God created STD's to transmit through sex primarily, but it's not unreasonable to think he uses them in punishment for other sins. No one is without sin.
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redstang281 Inactive Member |
quote: The bible has so many rules it is impossible for man to follow all of them all the time. Don't lie, Don't be greedy, Don't hate people, don't take Vengence... etc.. Some sins are easier for some people to avoid, but the people is that no one can avoid committing any sins. Besides which, just because God has the ability to know the future of a person doesn't mean he controls their will.
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redstang281 Inactive Member |
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"See if for every choice a human faces there is a choice that avoids sin it is at least theoretically possible that a human can live without sin... Therefore no original sin...
[/b][/QUOTE] You don't understand the concept of the sin. In your oppinion it is improbably that a man can never make a mistake, but not impossible. However, God knows better. Besides Jesus, Adam was the best chance at living a life without sin, but he failed. The bible says Jesus was the only one who did not sin.
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