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mark24
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Message 92 of 95 (5773)
02-28-2002 5:09 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by joz
02-27-2002 9:34 PM


quote:
Originally posted by joz:
You seem to be applying the filter to a case where DNA sprung up out of nowhere with no predecessors that isn`t what abiogenesis puts forward and you know it (and if you don`t you should before jumping to conclusions about its feasibility).....

Secondly before the third step of the filter can be applied you need to show that CSI can only be designed and never arrive by a set of laws acting on a set of starting conditions....

[This message has been edited by joz, 02-27-2002]


I'm sure this has been asked before, but what result would you get in putting God through the filter?

Mark

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Message 93 of 95 (5785)
02-28-2002 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by John Paul
02-27-2002 7:25 PM


quote:
Originally posted by John Paul:
Is DNA specified? Yes, unless it is shown that any DNA sequence would give rise to a living organism.

You also have to show that this specifity could not be gained by a random RNA chain replicating, mutating and those mutations being selected for based on the effect they had on the RNA chains rate of replication....

(Or PNA chain for that matter.)

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Message 94 of 95 (6400)
03-09-2002 10:54 AM


Saw JP was around so I thought I`d give this thread a bump...
  
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Message 95 of 95 (6805)
03-14-2002 9:52 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by John Paul
02-27-2002 7:25 PM


"In general, then, evolutionary
algorithms generate not true complexity but only the appearance of
complexity. And since they cannot generate complexity, they cannot generate specified complexity either."

"Does nature
exhibit actual specified complexity? The jury is still out."

{Dembski, William A. :: http://inia.cls.org/~welsberr/evobio/evc/ae/dembski_wa/19990913_explaining_csi.html)}

If it is possible to generate something which appears to be
complex but is not ... why can this NOT be the case for
living organisms (or more pointedly for DNA) ?

I would regard it as presumptous to use Dembski's filter in this
debate, when he himself clearly does not believe that the filter
CAN point to ID in the origins of life.


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