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Topic: Evc Haiku
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Zhimbo
Member (Idle past 6038 days) Posts: 571 From: New Hampshire, USA Joined: 07-28-2001
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Message 16 of 81 (67936)
11-20-2003 9:51 AM
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Reply to: Message 15 by crashfrog
11-20-2003 8:50 AM
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Yeah, people generally only remember the 5/7/5 rule, but there are other conventions. The topic is usually nature-themed, and each line should be a complete thought or image in and of itself. Basically you want three evocative images, one on each line, that interrelate. The Japanese form could also be construed as 5 characters per line. Here's a famous haiku, in Roman transcription: Furuike ya kawazu tobikomu mizu no oto -Matsu Basho (long o), 1644-1694 Which means "An old pond"/"A frog jumping"/"Sound of water", the non-form respecting translation by Hiroaki Sato. If you respect syllables, here's a translation: The old pond is still a frog leaps right into it splashing the water -Earl Miner But if you respect characters it's a little harder: swamp tadpole plunk -Douglas Hofstadter
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Dan Carroll
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Message 17 of 81 (67942)
11-20-2003 10:25 AM
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Reply to: Message 16 by Zhimbo
11-20-2003 9:51 AM
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Yeah, people generally only remember the 5/7/5 rule, but there are other conventions. The topic is usually nature-themed, and each line should be a complete thought or image in and of itself.
How's this? First nice day in months Why argue on internet? Go outside and play [This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 11-20-2003]
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IrishRockhound
Member (Idle past 4463 days) Posts: 569 From: Ireland Joined: 05-19-2003
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I have to put this one in - my favourite haiku ever: Truth's path is a sword, The blade cuts my palms and heels, Still I will not fall.  The Philosphical Rock Hound
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Dr Jack
Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: 07-14-2003 Member Rating: 8.3
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Message 19 of 81 (67959)
11-20-2003 11:00 AM
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Reply to: Message 15 by crashfrog
11-20-2003 8:50 AM
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A syllable is a dominant vowel sound. Listen to yourself speaking and forming words. Consonants have no tone, but pick up the tone of the vowels around them. Each time you change vowel tone, that's a new syllable. Nope. You've lost me. Doesn't matter; I've never really 'got' syllables.
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mike the wiz
Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: 05-24-2003
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Message 20 of 81 (67962)
11-20-2003 11:06 AM
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Reply to: Message 19 by Dr Jack
11-20-2003 11:00 AM
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I think syllable would be syll-a-ble - 3 sound changes, say it and listen to the difference, hope I helped
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docpotato
Member (Idle past 5074 days) Posts: 334 From: Portland, OR Joined: 07-18-2003
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Message 21 of 81 (67968)
11-20-2003 11:23 AM
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Because others speak
And know more than I'll ever
I don't often post
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Rei
Member (Idle past 7039 days) Posts: 1546 From: Iowa City, IA Joined: 09-03-2003
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Message 22 of 81 (68008)
11-20-2003 1:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 15 by crashfrog
11-20-2003 8:50 AM
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Aren't haiku supposed to be about nature and seasons? If you ask me, they're a degenerate verse form in English. Stick to the Japanese, if you ask me.
Rei no aku Sukiwoukagau Hebi ueru Buzsaw kakite "Subete wo seisho Wa manzen yo" Rei nikori On no aki kareha Hana akai (I hope I got this right! Anyone who knows japanese better than me care to correct me?  ) ------------------ "Illuminant light, illuminate me."
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1493 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 23 of 81 (68022)
11-20-2003 2:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 19 by Dr Jack
11-20-2003 11:00 AM
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You've lost me. Doesn't matter; I've never really 'got' syllables. It's seriously not that hard. Crack a good dictionary and start examining words. You'll see a bunch of upside-down e's and stuff; refer to the beginning of your dictionary to see what sounds those represent. You'll see that each word is broken into segments. Each segment is a syllable. Each syllable has one vowel sound. (Not necessarily one vowel; sometimes vowels are combined into one sounds.) Each segment has some consonants. When you say a consonant by itself, they're usually toneless. Like, "s" or "k". When you put them near a vowel, they gain the tone of the vowel, like when you say "ek" or "is". When you change vowel tones in a word, you've changed syllables. Hopefully this helps. Learning to recognize syllables is crucial to the understanding of poetic foot and meter.
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 761 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Message 24 of 81 (68027)
11-20-2003 2:26 PM
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OT, but my favorite ever, written by a dog: The cat is not bad. She has left me Tootsie Rolls In the litterbox.
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Drahzar
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Message 25 of 81 (68052)
11-20-2003 4:16 PM
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creation... pff
God flooded the world
too bad it's a load of bull
learn geology
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Loudmouth
Inactive Member
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Message 26 of 81 (68070)
11-20-2003 5:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 19 by Dr Jack
11-20-2003 11:00 AM
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When I first learned we clapped to the words, you just have to find the beat. I've also heard syllables described as when the opposite side of you mouth meats, like your lips touch for the letter b. Also, each syllable is marked by your jaw going up and down.
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:æ: 
Suspended Member (Idle past 7211 days) Posts: 423 Joined: 07-23-2003
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Message 27 of 81 (68086)
11-20-2003 6:41 PM
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Creationism
What a load of malarkey!
Hovind makes me laugh
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mike the wiz
Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: 05-24-2003
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Message 28 of 81 (68087)
11-20-2003 6:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 27 by :æ:
11-20-2003 6:41 PM
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Who's Hovind?
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:æ:
Suspended Member (Idle past 7211 days) Posts: 423 Joined: 07-23-2003
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mike the wiz writes: Who's Hovind?
You don't want to know. [This message has been edited by ::, 11-20-2003]
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:æ:
Suspended Member (Idle past 7211 days) Posts: 423 Joined: 07-23-2003
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Message 30 of 81 (68092)
11-20-2003 6:52 PM
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Lying scientists!
Monkeys didn't change to men!
Monkeys still exist!
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