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Message 357 of 409 (680797)
11-21-2012 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 353 by Faith
11-21-2012 9:06 AM


Re: The Flood dissolved stuff but ROCKS? Hardly
Faith writes:
Percy that remark about redissolving the strata of the GS came after they accused me of thinking in terms of dissovling rock, which I hadn't, it was an afterthought to see if I did think it might, and I thought the strata might re-dissolve but certainly not marble or granite. Again it was an afterthought, I'm sorry I mentioned it. But it is NOT the reason for what they were saying and I still don'tknow what was. It was very frustrating because ALL i was trying to say is that the LAND MASS would have been the source of the sediments that became the strata, and I had LOOSE material in mind.
It came from your reply to RAZD - message 254
The discussion was about how standing water could cause erosion (of rocks)
RAZD
Curiously, standing water is not known for causing any significant erosion or mudslides.
Faith
It's known for DISSOLVING stuff. Soaking, saturating, dissolving.
If you like, we can also take issue with soaking and saturating too - granite doesn't easily saturate with water. Not in my house anyway.

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Message 363 of 409 (680823)
11-21-2012 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 355 by Faith
11-21-2012 9:27 AM


Re: The flood and the geological column
Faith writes:
The flood didn't "form" the strata in the sense you mean. It only only "formed" the strata by moving the sediments and depositing them. It did not create the sediments themselves unless by breaking up the land mass. It picked up clay, it picked up sand, it picked up calcium carbonate sea creatures and moved them, from wherever they had initially resided or formed, and carried them most likely in currents of the Flood waters -- that occur naturally in layers in the oceans and do transport things -- to be deposited as layers over the continents where they piled up very deep and eventually became rock.
Correction, the currents do occur at various levels, but the layers I had in mind are formed by the different temperatures at various depths and are a different phenomenon from the currents.
So I re-read Genesis. There was one flood that lasted a year, it began to subside after 150 days. So basically, the whole of earth was covered with water above mountain height, then drained away somehow like letting water out of a bath.
All of the 'loose' material on the earth would have been stirred up a bit then settled out to form sediments. It would happen like this, with the big stuff dropping to the bottom first then and the fine stuff last.
(I think it best if we forget the dissolving bit, don't you?)
So it would work like this:
Unfortunately. that's not what we see in your canyon. What we see are many different levels were several different kinds of mixtures have settled out at different times.
You seem to want the layers to all form within the water before settling out - nope, that doesn't work does it?

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Message 366 of 409 (680948)
11-21-2012 6:31 PM
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11-21-2012 6:23 PM


Re: The Flood dissolved stuff but ROCKS? Hardly
Mud doesn't dissolve either, but let it go,

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Message 400 of 409 (681023)
11-22-2012 4:58 AM
Reply to: Message 398 by Faith
11-22-2012 3:36 AM


Re: The Flood dissolved stuff but ROCKS? Hardly
Dictionary.com
dissolve   [dih-zolv] Show IPA verb dissolved, dissolving, noun
verb (used with object)
1.
to make a solution of, as by mixing with a liquid; pass into solution: to dissolve salt in water.
2.
to melt; liquefy: to dissolve sugar into syrup.
3.
to undo (a tie or bond); break up (a connection, union, etc.).
4.
to break up (an assembly or organization); dismiss; disperse.
5.
Government . to order the termination of (a parliament or other legislative body).
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dissolve (d-zlv)
v. dissolved, dissolving, dissolves
v.tr.
1. To cause to pass into solution: dissolve salt in water.
2. To reduce (solid matter) to liquid form; melt.
3. To cause to disappear or vanish; dispel.
4. To break into component parts; disintegrate.
5. To bring to an end by or as if by breaking up; terminate.
6. To dismiss (a legislative body, for example): dissolved parliament and called for new elections.
7. To cause to break down emotionally or psychologically; upset.
8. To cause to lose definition; blur; confuse: "Morality has finally been dissolved in pity" (Leslie Fiedler).
9. Law To annul; abrogate.
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Verb
dissolve (third-person singular simple present dissolves, present participle dissolving, simple past and past participle dissolved)
(transitive) To terminate a union of multiple members actively, as by disbanding
The ruling party or coalition sometimes dissolves parliament early when the polls are favorable, hoping to reconvene with a larger majority
(transitive) To destroy, make disappear
(transitive) To liquify, melt into a fluid
(intransitive) To be melted, changed into a fluid
(chemistry) (transitive) To disintegrate chemically into a solution by immersion into a liquid or gas.
(chemistry) (intransitive) To be disintegrated by such immersion.
(transitive) To disperse, drive apart a group of persons.
(cinematography) (intransitive) To shift from one shot to another by having the former fade out as the latter fades in.
(intransitive) To resolve itself as by dissolution
I'm bored now.
You're tainting all your arguments by proving yourself to be too stubborn to admit a mistake.
By now, I know that you know you're wrong on a simple and provable point - you know the difference between adding sand to water and adding salt to water; by refusing to let it go you're just demonstrating that you can't be persuaded by anything at all.
Nothing, not even the totally bloody obvious.

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Message 404 of 409 (681055)
11-22-2012 8:58 AM


The road trip gave us a glimpse of how incapable creationists are of accepting - or even considering - information that does not conform to their beliefs.
Our discussions have now experimentally confirmed it.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

  
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