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dan4reason
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Message 1 of 8 (681098)
11-22-2012 1:09 PM


Kent Hovind claims that ancient horses are found in the same layers as modern horses. He does not give a lot of detail to back up the claim. For example, it would help if he listed the species, the site they were found, and the age of the strata.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8DDIe_2cHM

I did find some statements from his source:

Kruzhilin, Yu, and V. Ovcharov, "A Horse from the Dinosaur Epoch?" Moskovskaya Pravda ("Moscow Truth"), trans. A. James Melnick (February 5, 1984).

"Soviet paleontologists have discovered the fossilized tracks of an unknown species of perissodactyls (odd-toed animals) in the spurs of the Gissar Mountains in southern Uzbekistan near the village of Baysun". An analysis of the rocks, which were taken to Tashkent, indicated that their age was about 90 million years old!

"The paleontologists on the expedition immediately thought of comparing the 86 horseshoe-shaped tracks with equine imprints of hoofs. In any case, one could talk about animals very much resembling the horse.

"A TASS correspondent turned to the famous Soviet paleontologist, Academician B. Sokolov, Secretary of the Department of Geology, Geophysics and Geochemistry of the USSR Academy of Sciences, for an answer to this question". the scientist said, " " there is not the slightest doubt concerning the accuracy of the determination of the geologic age of the "Baysun tracks." They are of the Creataceous period". The tracks of any reptiles similar to these tracks are unknown to science at the present time. It is difficult to place them with confidence with any known group of mammals"the horse which they are now compared with, indisputably, appeared much later. Most likely, we are talking about the discovery of some whole new group of mammals.""

Are there any good refutations to these claims?


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Message 2 of 8 (681100)
11-22-2012 1:55 PM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the Modern Horse Tracks Found with Dinosaurs? thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
    
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Message 3 of 8 (681104)
11-22-2012 2:50 PM
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11-22-2012 1:09 PM


There is a little information on the web about this. I'm not going to bother doing much searching because Kent has a very poor record for scientific accuracy and it's just not worth the effort.

But on this website:

http://www.oocities.org/kenthovind/evolution/evolution2.htm

There is the following note: "Moscovskya pruvda" is newspaper for a general public. It is not the peer-reviewed scientific journal."


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Message 4 of 8 (681106)
11-22-2012 3:13 PM
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11-22-2012 1:09 PM


I agree with Coyote, all I can see on the web is references to this translated newspaper article. Interestingly, there are only a few references to A. James Melnick out there, some articles about Soviet stuff in the eighties and nineties. And then some guy with the same name is listed on some sites as being co-author of Of Pandas And People. I don't know if that's true, or if its the same guy.

I can't find the original source, in any event, nor any other translation.

Sokolov is real, but I find no references about him talking about 'Baysun tracks'. Nor indeed is anybody talking about Baysun tracks, unless they are referring to this exact same blurb.

Are there any good refutations to these claims?

It's an unverified piece of information sourced from a translation that claims to be from a newspaper article thirty years ago, parroted by a liar who I am very sure did not bother to do one iota of fact checking when he was presented with this collection of words.

Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.


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Message 5 of 8 (681108)
11-22-2012 3:36 PM
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11-22-2012 1:09 PM


This sounds a lot like Paluxy - an impression that resembles a hoofprint is assumed to be a horse print, with no supporting evidence.
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11-22-2012 4:07 PM
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11-22-2012 2:50 PM


Thanks all. Hovind can be a little of a screwball.
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Message 7 of 8 (681124)
11-23-2012 2:48 AM
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11-22-2012 1:09 PM


The paleontologists on the expedition immediately thought of comparing the 86 horseshoe-shaped tracks with equine imprints of hoofs. In any case, one could talk about animals very much resembling the horse.

Wait ... horseshoe shaped tracks?

Kent Hovind claims that ancient horses are found in the same layers as modern horses. He does not give a lot of detail to back up the claim.

Well, IIRC, three-toed horses and one-toes horses can be found in the same strata, so he's probably just doing a "why are there still monkeys" type stupid.


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Message 8 of 8 (681135)
11-23-2012 7:26 AM
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11-23-2012 2:48 AM


Where's the pictures?
Hi Dr Adequate,

Wait ... horseshoe shaped tracks?

Yeah, that kind of tells you something about the quality of investigation.

Well, IIRC, three-toed horses and one-toes horses can be found in the same strata, so he's probably just doing a "why are there still monkeys" type stupid.

Or it's just Kent making stuff up to sell to the gullibles.

Personally I can't take this seriously until there are photos at a minimum to see what they are talking about.

Until then I assume it is similar to Paluxy, where a foot-print in mud fills in to leave an impression different from the foot that made it.

http://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=msg&t=11757

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