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Message 249 of 318 (673080)
09-13-2012 3:47 PM

Reply to: Message 241 by ringo
09-13-2012 2:11 PM

Re: Accidents

RingO writes:

But I'm not the government of the United States and that ain't what they're gonna do. They're gonna kill terrorists.

Well, america doesn't want to kill ALL the terrorists/dictators/bad guys. (Remember, Osama bin Laden was an american favorite at one time.) Rather, america only wants to kill the ones we don't like at the moment. Do you want an alphabetical list, or will these two examples be sufficient?:

Perhaps if america usually held the high moral ground, it would be easier for the citizens to trust our government and whom they labeled terrorists, yes?

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Message 250 of 318 (673082)
09-13-2012 3:56 PM

Reply to: Message 248 by ringo
09-13-2012 3:32 PM

Re: Accidents

RingO writes:

Don't confuse "we" with "they".

Err, I am confused. As an american I have no say in my government?

RingO writes:

"They" are the ones with the drones. What "we" confirm or don't confirm is pretty much irrelevant. "They" will decide what force is required.

Sorry, no, when "they" are using "my" tax money to kill children, "I" will decide what force will be required.

RingO writes:

If Joe is aware that Ahmed is involved in terrorism, then Joe would be well-advised to "label" Ahmed as a terrorist and turn down his luncheon invitation.

Based on the following pieces of evidence, I would be more than pleased to accept an invitation to a luncheon with Ahmed, wouldn't you?

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Message 251 of 318 (673083)
09-13-2012 4:05 PM

Reply to: Message 243 by Straggler
09-13-2012 2:29 PM

Re: Accidents

STRAG writes:

But shouldn't we try and stop the psychotic acting out his psychotic ways rather than simply thank our lucky stars he's merely slittiing people's throats rather than machine-gunning his way through the population?

I keep asking, how do you know the psychotic is a psychotic? I am going to be accused of crowbarring again, but what lesson SHOULD these pictures warn citizens about?:

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Message 253 of 318 (673086)
09-13-2012 4:15 PM

Reply to: Message 246 by ringo
09-13-2012 3:12 PM

Re: Accidents

RingO writes:

The consensus among the anti-drone crowd seems to be that we should yell at the killer.

Which killer are you referring? The supposed "terrorist" or the person who meets in secrecy, without any oversight, to determine the next assassination drone hit?

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Message 254 of 318 (673087)
09-13-2012 4:21 PM

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09-13-2012 4:12 PM

Re: Accidents

RingO writes:

Good luck with that. For your next trick, how about deciding to end global warming?

Yep, I depressingly agree. MOST americans are either FOR drone assassinations or are simply apathetic/ignorant. They will go on to joyously vote in a new decider of death in this year's election. There will eventually be another 9/11, and we will all repeat the obligatory question "why do the 'terrorists' hate us?

RingO writes:

Your evidence is faulty. Neiher one of those is Ahmed.

Perhaps, but both of them would have responded at one time to the name/label "friend".

Edited by dronester, : added "why do the 'terrorists' hate us?

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Message 256 of 318 (673089)
09-13-2012 4:34 PM

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09-13-2012 4:28 PM

Re: Accidents

RingO writes:

The killer is the guy who kills the innocent babies. I suggested that I would rather have him armed with a knife than an assault rifle. Straggler asked why we don't just stop him from killing and I reminded him that the killer is the U.S. government and military so trying to "stop" them would be like King Canute trying to stop the tide from coming in.

That may be pragmatic, but I agree with Straggler, that is a defeatist stance. And it will be poor comfort if a next 9/11 happens because of this action.

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Message 300 of 318 (673239)
09-17-2012 9:23 AM

Reply to: Message 266 by Straggler
09-14-2012 6:54 AM

Re: Accidents

STRAG writes:

And you didn’t even show a picture of Tony Blair embracing Gaddaffi

Thanks (it will undoubtedly be another piece of evidence forum participants and americans/brits will continue to choose to ignore).

STRAG writes:

(and Dronester who keeps skying off on such tangents to the detriment of his own arguments)

My argument has been more or less consistent: look at american immoral actions that precipitate 'terrorist' blowback. The price of drone attacks on innocents will likely realize another 9/11. Another 9/11 seems to be quite acceptable to many on this forum. Another 9/11 is NOT acceptable to me.

RingO asks "what can be done?" as though I haven't stated the most obvious starting point many times . . . stop french-kissing the enemies of human rights for political expedience . . .

One last crowbar of pictures . . .