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onifre
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Message 9 of 47 (681633)
11-27-2012 2:24 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Phat
11-25-2012 4:23 PM


Sense of purpose
This book is for edification and encouragement, and it quite rightly gives me a sense of purpose as well as the power and ability to carry out my calling as a Christian.
Don't want to interupt your discussion on Jewish mythology but, curiously how do the stories that call for the death of homosexuals and women who aren't virgins when they marry or the killing of your child who tries to steer you away from your faith make you feel?
Does it give you the same sense of purpose or does it give you a sense of shame that god would call for the death of your fellow humans, including that of your wife and your child?
ICANT, or anyone else, if you'd like to answer this too feel free. This isn't specifically a question for Phat.
- Oni
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onifre
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Message 10 of 47 (681635)
11-27-2012 2:33 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by ICANT
11-26-2012 12:36 PM


Jewish Mythology
But most folks will not read the Bible for the reason you mentioned it makes them uncomfortable.
It's no more unformfortable than reading any other book on mythology, god/s, religions of the world, the after life, etc. We can all enjoy fiction.
I don't get what you feel people find uncomfortable about a book on Jewish mythology? I quite enjoy all mythology ever since I was able to read. I've read the Bible cover to cover. In fact, I was just reading it recently while in a hotel because there was nothing on tv.
Thus the denial of God's existence.
Not finding the Bible to be anything more than Jewish mythology says nothing about one's belief in a God/s. That's pretty close minded thing to say.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 13 of 47 (681651)
11-27-2012 9:37 AM
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11-27-2012 3:34 AM


Re: Sense of purpose
I don't for a moment believe that "my God" would even suggest such atrocities.
Well, wait, are you saying those things aren't in the Bible?
You did say that the Book of Acts gave you a sense of purpose as a Christian. I was just asking what the other stuff gave you a sense of?
t we are discussing Acts here
Fair enough, I'm off topic so carry on.
- Oni
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onifre
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Message 14 of 47 (681655)
11-27-2012 10:21 AM
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11-27-2012 3:36 AM


Re: Jewish Mythology
The only problem with your approach is that God cant be agreed upon as to character. All we have is a bunch of human(and in my opinion flawed) ideas as to who or what God is.
I agree, to an extent of course. Again, if we're simply saying "the creator of everything" then I think we can all agree. Unless someone has some radically different image of God that I've never heard of. So while specifics may never be agreed upon one certainty is true: we are speaking about the creator of everything.
My point was, according to ICANT many don't read the Bible and thus deny God's existence. But if we, as you say, have only ideas as to who or what God is, then the Bible is only 1 of thousands of ways to "know" God or believe in his/her existence.
But here again I'm off topic so, feel free to ignore this message.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 25 of 47 (681688)
11-27-2012 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Phat
11-27-2012 11:30 AM


Re: Jewish Mythology and Christian Belief
I can see the logic of these two reasons, but the one I cant see being valid is rejecting the idea of God simply because of wishing to preserve the right of one to think freely without limits or constraint on behavior that such a Spirit may impose on a human conscience.
I think this only makes sense to believers. Think about what you're saying: rejecting god to preserve the right to think freely without limit means you accept god as an authority. They reject god because they don't want to be limited, but they believe a god exists. This can ONLY be something a believer does.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 47 of 47 (681818)
11-28-2012 3:21 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Phat
11-27-2012 5:50 PM


Closet Believer
Hooah writes:
It is NOT a position that ANY non-believer holds, nor a reason any non-believer uses as a basis for their non-belief.
Phat writes:
oh come on! Do you expect me to believe that?
But you already conceded this point to me in Message 26
Phat writes:
Point noted. You are probably right....an unbeliever wouldn't even feel the conviction....maybe.
Again I'll restate my point. Anyone not believing in God because they don't want to be governed by God's rules is already making the distinction that God is real and an authority in the universe. By definition this IS a believer.
That's why Hooah is saying that in no case will this be the basis for their non-belief. Because, if it was the basis of their non-belief, as I explained above, then infact they are a believer.
- Oni
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