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Faith 
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Message 16 of 86 (681895)
11-28-2012 1:17 PM
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11-28-2012 12:05 PM


Re: Christian?
Except for the Catholics who are conservative who pretty much run Fox News.
I guess I can name Protestant Reformers galore who believed and taught what I'm saying and you'll still attribute it all to ME personally? Weird.

He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

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Message 17 of 86 (681896)
11-28-2012 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Faith
11-28-2012 11:53 AM


Re: Christian?
Uh huh, dictionaries can lie
I think it would save us a bit of time if you published your own dictionary. (And start your own branch of Christianity while you're at it.)

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

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Message 18 of 86 (681897)
11-28-2012 1:23 PM
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11-28-2012 1:06 PM


Oh Pat Robertson unfortunately IS in line with other "evangelicals" on both Genesis and Catholicism, these are positions he really does subscribe to as do others.
Yes I've tried to do the calculations, didn't spend a lot of time at it. It's hard to keep the different dates of births and deaths lined up correctly, but I assume it's possible if you have the patience for it, which I don't, which is why I defer to Bishop Ussher. In any case it's AROUND 6000 years by ANYBODY's calculations and not anywhere near the Old Earth explanation for the dinosaurs.

He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

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Message 19 of 86 (681898)
11-28-2012 1:26 PM
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11-28-2012 1:17 PM


Re: Christian?
I guess I can name Protestant Reformers galore who believed and taught what I'm saying and you'll still attribute it all to ME personally? Weird.
Don't worry, Faith. We all know you're not the first or last Christian to use the "No True Scotsman" argument to distance yourself from anyone who disagrees with you. Christianity as a whole has a very long history of individual sects denying that other denomination's are "true Scotsman" er, "True Christians." We get it, we understand - only those specific Protestant denominations (and even congregations) that agree with you on Biblical interpretation including (but not limited to) the Earth being 6-9000 years old can possibly be "True Christians" under your judgment. All others are at minimum being led astray by deception, or worse, are active tools of Satan.
That about cover it?

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"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus
"...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of
variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the
outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." Barash, David 1995.

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Message 20 of 86 (681899)
11-28-2012 1:35 PM


Links and information for the forum. Each thread represents a topic. Add information to a topic by replying to the topic's thread. Create a new thread for new topics.
Whether or not Roman Catholicism is Christianity is a new topic that requires a new thread. This thread is for adding information to and perhaps pass the occasional comment on the Pat Robertson comments in the linked to video.

  
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Message 21 of 86 (681900)
11-28-2012 1:38 PM
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11-28-2012 1:17 PM


Re: Christian?
faith writes:
I guess I can name Protestant Reformers galore who believed and taught what I'm saying and you'll still attribute it all to ME personally? Weird.
Yes, it is weird, because the only thing I attribute to you personally, is your impeccable judgment.
faith writes:
ALL offenses are wrong, in any case of course, but there is no comparison. Tens of MILLIONS of Bible believers were tortured and killed by the Inquisition. I know that number is denied, thanks to propagandists who get into Wikipedia and the like, so I'll have to find sources for it, but it's well known outside the propaganda circuits.
Well, Pat Robertson has at least 700 in his propaganda circuit, so I guess that trumps your propaganda circuit of one.
Keep up the good work.
ABE: Sorry Mod
Edited by Tanypteryx, : posted before I saw Mod's message

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One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 22 of 86 (681901)
11-28-2012 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Faith
11-28-2012 1:10 PM


Re: Catholicism
ABE - I saw the warning from the Mod after posting this, if you want to continue to discuss this, let's make a topic and have some fun with it. Otherwise, let us stop this here and continue about Pat Robertson.
Edited by Tempe 12ft Chicken, : No reason given.
Edited by AdminModulous, : text hidden

The theory of evolution by cumulative natural selection is the only theory we know of that is in principle capable of explaining the existence of organized complexity. -Richard Dawkins
Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night. -Issac Asimov
If you removed all the arteries, veins, & capillaries from a person’s body, and tied them end-to-endthe person will die. -Neil Degrasse Tyson
What would Buddha do? Nothing!
What does the Buddhist terrorist do? Goes into the middle of the street, takes the gas, *pfft*, Self-Barbecue. The Christian and the Muslim on either side are yelling, "What the Fuck are you doing?" The Buddhist says, "Making you deal with your shit. -Robin Williams-

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Message 23 of 86 (681902)
11-28-2012 1:43 PM
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11-28-2012 1:10 PM


Re: Catholicism
ABE
Just saw mods post. I will hide this if mod deems that necessary
Hidden at Mods request
Edited by Theodoric, : Mods post
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 24 of 86 (681903)
11-28-2012 1:50 PM
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11-28-2012 1:23 PM


Re: Christian?
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He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

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Message 25 of 86 (681904)
11-28-2012 1:58 PM
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11-28-2012 1:50 PM


Re: Christian?
Edited by AdminModulous, : off topic hidden

The theory of evolution by cumulative natural selection is the only theory we know of that is in principle capable of explaining the existence of organized complexity. -Richard Dawkins
Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night. -Issac Asimov
If you removed all the arteries, veins, & capillaries from a person’s body, and tied them end-to-endthe person will die. -Neil Degrasse Tyson
What would Buddha do? Nothing!
What does the Buddhist terrorist do? Goes into the middle of the street, takes the gas, *pfft*, Self-Barbecue. The Christian and the Muslim on either side are yelling, "What the Fuck are you doing?" The Buddhist says, "Making you deal with your shit. -Robin Williams-

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Message 26 of 86 (681905)
11-28-2012 2:01 PM
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11-28-2012 1:42 PM


Re: Catholicism
Edited by Faith, : add last link
Edited by AdminModulous, : hidden - to see the link click 'peek'

He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

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Message 27 of 86 (681909)
11-28-2012 2:59 PM
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11-28-2012 10:55 AM


Ramblings of an old man, or...
Does this mean that in a few years creationists have always said that the world was old, just as they have always said that "microevolution" occurred?
Edited by Dirk, : topic

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Message 28 of 86 (681910)
11-28-2012 3:01 PM
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11-28-2012 10:55 AM


Pat Robertson said something that actually makes sense. Incredible!
If you teach your children things that are contrary to all the available evidence, then you are going to lose them. And trying to justify it as "teaching them to believe the Bible" is false, because YEC (in this specific case the 6,000-year age) is not based on the Bible, but rather on theology, on fallible human (mis)interpretation of what they think that the Bible says. Though "creation science" goes even further in that when (they would say "if") it is found that the earth is indeed old, then they demand that you abandon your faith and become an atheist. The gross error that they are committing with that is that an old earth only contradicts their theology and says nothing about the Bible itself nor about God Himself.
Teach your children the truth!

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Message 29 of 86 (681914)
11-28-2012 3:16 PM
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11-28-2012 1:23 PM


Yes I've tried to do the calculations, didn't spend a lot of time at it. It's hard to keep the different dates of births and deaths lined up correctly, but I assume it's possible if you have the patience for it, which I don't, which is why I defer to Bishop Ussher.
It's really quite simple to do and to keep everything lined up correctly, at least up until the Flood. I read one creationist's calculations (more likely somebody else's that he failed to properly attribute, something he very commonly did in his newsletter) which then used other information to get him to the succession of kings, at which point he added up all their reigns up to the Babylonian Captivity, the end of which he says is set at 538 BCE, which places the starting point at about 4185 BCE. He gave the age of the earth in then-current 1996 at 6181 years, but he had inadvertently added a year by not having taken into account the lack of a Year 0. The Jewish Calendar reported 1996 as the year 5757, so this calculation yielded an age 424 years greater than the Jewish Calendar does.
A rainy-day activity that doesn't really have any relevence.

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Message 30 of 86 (681915)
11-28-2012 3:17 PM
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11-28-2012 11:09 AM


No it is not Bishop Ussher, it is the Bible. We can all add up the numbers, we don't need Bishop Ussher although his calculations are probably the most trustworthy.
And if you put dinosaurs back before human beings you deny the Biblical revelation that death entered the Creation because of the disobedience of Adam and Eve.
Pat Robertson also thinks Roman Catholicism is Christian. So much for Pat Robertson.
But there is absolutely no way arund the fact that Genesis tels us that the 24 hour day wasn't available until God created the Solar Clock as Gen 1:14 tells us.
Until God made the Sun and moon the time keepers of the Earth Time those first seven days could by any length even the duration of the six Geological Eras.
1. Formative/Cosmologic Era-Hadean Era/ = First Day
2. Hadean Era-Archaean Era/ = Second Day
3. Archaean Era-Proterozoic Era/ = Third Day
4. Proterozoic Era-Paleozoic Era/ = Fourth Day
5. Paleozoic Era-Mesozoic Era/ = Fifth Day
6. Mesozoic Era-Cenozoic Era/ = Six Day
7. Cenozoic Era-Common Era/ = Seventh Day

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