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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 842 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
I honestly cannot tell when they do this. The music still sounds great. In some cases, it sounds better in my opinion.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.3
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I honestly cannot tell when they do this. How can you determine
The music still sounds great. In some cases, it sounds better in my opinion. Sounds like you are just spewing dogma to spew dogma. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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I honestly cannot tell when they do this. The music still sounds great. In some cases, it sounds better in my opinion. They changed their style to appeal to a larger audience. The black album was the beginning of the transition and they completed it by cutting their hair. They left their roots in the dust and went for popularity. Its 'corporate' because they're being strung along by the record labels and producers rather than just writing music from their hearts.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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I admit to knowing next to nothing about Metallica or about 'metal' in general. But I do remember that when the first album Metallica came out with after Lars rant about Napster people said that Metallica had figured out a way to make albums that were Napster-proof. Namely by making them bad. I'm guessing that album must have been St. Anger.
I can't really back up a claim that Metallica's makes 'corporate' music now. I can't stand any of their stuff. I like Motorhead, but generally heavy metal just doesn't grab me. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 842 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
Finally, someone gives me a clear meaning of what it is to be putting out "corporate music". Is "Till it sleeps" corporate music? It is pretty emotional to me and speaks to me emotionally. What does it matter if they are not making music from "their" hearts but, instead are speaking to "our" hearts collectively?
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 842 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
The video for that one did not do a good job of showing the emotion of the song. I like the energy they put into this remake of Bob Segers, more importantly, this video makes me sick to my stomach as far as the reality it portrays.
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Finally, someone gives me a clear meaning of what it is to be putting out "corporate music". Well, we're not all dicks here.
Is "Till it sleeps" corporate music? Yes. The Hook <--. clicky.. comes in at about 27 seconds:
Holy fuck they won't even let me "utube" to that one! If that ain't corporate then I don't know what is! Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHVv7Mz2_Bo So yeah, 27 seconds to the hook. Gotta have that mass appeal if you know what I mean. In case you don't: music has to appeal to a big audience to be "pop" and that's what Metallica fell into. Compare that to the awesome song "For Whom the Bell Tolls", where the "hook" comes at about 2:40:
I'm actually somewhat of a musician. That is, I have a piano in my house and can read music and I play music every day. I'm not in a band or anything, because I pretty much just play for myself, but I know and understand music. In fact, I'll rock your fucking socks off on that exact song on the piano if you want me to upload a video to youtube - let me know. Seriously, I will upload a video of me paying that song on the piano just for you. So seriously, there's the difference of "mass appeal" vs. music from the heart, so tell me if you're not gettting that point (no offense).
It is pretty emotional to me and speaks to me emotionally. What does it matter if they are not making music from "their" hearts but, instead are speaking to "our" hearts collectively? The difference is the "corporation" speaking to you with what they want you to hear versus the band just speaking from their heart with with whatever you may or may not want to hear. The one side is being a salesman while the other side is being an artist. Yeah? Makes sense?
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined:
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Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.' ― Isaac Asimov "You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them" - Ray Bradbury |
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined:
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Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.' ― Isaac Asimov "You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them" - Ray Bradbury |
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined:
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Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.' ― Isaac Asimov "You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them" - Ray Bradbury |
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined:
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Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.' ― Isaac Asimov "You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them" - Ray Bradbury
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 842 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
I absolutely hated this song when it came out and I still do. I turn off greenday every day then Awipe comes on the radio.
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onifre Member (Idle past 3211 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined:
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C'mon Dr. A! Let's Ride
This could be your 10k post party Dr. A. How can you not know this? Crank it up! - Oni
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Omnivorous Member (Idle past 135 days) Posts: 4001 From: Adirondackia Joined:
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I've been a big Green Day fan since...forever. I fondly recall the shock on my teenage nephews' faces at my 60th birthday party when I played a solid two hours of GD.
I think American Idiot and 21st Century Breakdown are brilliant. I don't let a day go by without rocking the house with at least a few GD tracks. I have a semi-soundproofed basement with a pair of Bose 901 IVs and a pair of Acoustic Research IIIs, hooked up to a 500 watt amp. So when I say rock the house, I mean rock the house: the neighbors can't hear me, but dust drifts down from the first floor joists. Last of the American Girls (also from American Idiot) joins an august list of anthems to the world's most extraordinary women: I recommend one to foreveryoung--all that angst can be cured overnight, kid. I can never listen to it only once. And Horseshoes and Handgrenades? This one's for foreveryoung, too. "If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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onifre Member (Idle past 3211 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined:
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I fondly recall the shock on my teenage nephews' faces at my 60th birthday party when I played a solid two hours of GD. That's awesome. I hope I'll be that kind of old(er) dude too. - Oni
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