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Message 51 of 86 (682039)
11-29-2012 4:28 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by kofh2u
11-28-2012 3:17 PM


Hi kofh,
kofh2u writes:
Until God made the Sun and moon the time keepers of the Earth Time those first seven days could by any length even the duration of the six Geological Eras.
So if I divide 4 billion by 6 less 1,000 yrs for each era I would have the 6 geological eras you are talking about.
Each one of those eras would have consisted of 1 light period and 1 dark period as each had a evening and a morning .
Each era would consist of 666,665,666.6666667 years in each light and dark period.
If I then divide those years up as Genesis 1:5 - Genesis 2:3 I would have a light period of 333,332,833.3333333 years in the light period which would be followed by a dark period of 333,332,833.3333333 years.
Fast forward to the sixth day.
Animals and mankind is created in this 333,332,833.3333333 year period but there would be no food as there was a dark period of 333,332,833.3333333 years just prior to the light period they began to exist in.
I don't see any plants or life forms surviving 333,332,833.3333333 years of darkness.
I hope you can see the folly of this preverting of God's Word.
If you want to get a old earth and it comply with the Hebrew text you can do it. But your preposterous account is laughable.
I believe in a very old Earth. In fact I believe it has always existed in some form just not the form we see today. The Earth and Universe existed as matter and energy from the beginning whenever that was.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 52 of 86 (682041)
11-29-2012 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Faith
11-28-2012 3:28 PM


Hi Faith,
Faith writes:
Fine, if you can account for all those billions of years as occurring AFTER the Fall, which brought death into the Creation.
That is easy to accomplish.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Genesis 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
This light period ceased to exist prior to Genesis 1:2 as we find darkness existing there.
Now we are at a few thousand years ago which we find the Earth in a mess and God has to do a remodling job on it.
You can continue from here with the company story minus the man eating a fruit he was forbidden to eat and being cast out of a garden he was never in.
Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Nothing was forbidden.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 53 of 86 (682043)
11-29-2012 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by kofh2u
11-28-2012 7:30 PM


Hi kofh,
kofh2u writes:
I can not understand why the church people do not accept this Theistic Evolution teaching which has bbeen on the internet for a dozen years now.
Because it is a bunch of garbage, just like the universe beginning to exist in and from non-existence.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 60 of 86 (682070)
11-29-2012 7:24 PM
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11-29-2012 7:08 PM


Hi kofh,
kofh2u writes:
They will insist that the six "days" were 24 hour durations when the book clearly says the 24 hour solar day was in existence until the 3rd era of the creative process as described in Genesis itself.
What book you talking about.
If you are refering to the Bible give chapter and verse.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 63 of 86 (682073)
11-29-2012 7:58 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Rahvin
11-29-2012 7:32 PM


Re: interesting?
Hi Rahvin,
Where did you get your numbers from?
I find this analysis of 2011 welfare costs.
quote:
Total federal and state "welfare" spending topped $1 trillion last year, marking a nearly 30 percent increase since the start of the Obama administration -- according to a new congressional report which documented spending across more than 80 benefit programs for low-income families.
Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., top Republican on the Senate Budget Committee, released the figures Thursday, compiled based on a committee analysis and a new Congressional Research Service study. The stats show that the combination of federal and state "welfare" spending is more than the country spends on Medicare, Social Security or non-war defense.
Click here
Just about everywhere I looked the Federal governments part was over 700 billion dollars with the states putting up the rest of 300+ billion.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 75 of 86 (682090)
11-29-2012 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by jar
11-29-2012 8:09 PM


Re: interesting?
Hi jar,
jar writes:
That's what you get for using something like Fox as a source. LOL
Yea, I should not trust them they might be biased and have an agenda.
They did get their information from Rep. Jeff Sessions, which you would probably say is a bad source.
Lets look at your source.
Click on 2011 and get information for a full year which Fox was using.
TOTAL
Welfare                                               799.7 billion
Now click the + sign on Health care

Vendor payments welfare                                 348  billion

TOTAL  Welfare costs                                  1.1477 trillion
There could probably be other amounts found if I wanted to spend the time looking for it.
Be careful of your sources.
God Bless,
quote:
Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., top Republican on the Senate Budget Committee, released the figures Thursday, compiled based on a committee analysis and a new Congressional Research Service study.
Read more: 'Welfare' spending topped $1 trillion in 2011, study shows | Fox News

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 84 of 86 (682104)
11-29-2012 10:22 PM


Hi all,
jar we finally agree on something, Pat Robertson should be aplauded for his stand on the age of the Earth.
3 cheers for Pat.
kofh2u if you would like to discuss what Genesis says about creation start a thread and we will have a go at it. It's one of my favorite subjects.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

  
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