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Panda
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Message 16 of 310 (682342)
12-01-2012 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by kofh2u
12-01-2012 8:56 AM


Selective learning
There were 7 disciples too!
1) Andrew
2) John
3) Philip
4) Nathaniel
5) Thomas
6) Judas Iscariot
7) Matthew
kofh2u writes:
1) The Inflation Era
2) The Quark Era
3) Hadron Era
4) Lepton Era
5) Nucleosynthesis Era
6) Opaque Era
7) Matter Era,...
You appear to have forgotten to include several other eras.
Planck Era
Grand unification Era
Electroweak Era
Matter domination Era
Recombination Era
So - that brings the number of eras to at least 12.
And I am sure that there are more...

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Message 17 of 310 (682358)
12-01-2012 5:09 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by kofh2u
12-01-2012 10:44 AM


Hi kofh,
kofh2u writes:
Check the Hebrew word used for "day" so we agree that this term means any appropriate duration as opposed exclusively to a 24 hour duration.
I am very familiar with what the Hebrew text says. My major was Biblical Hebrew.
I will accept what God says over any of man's interpertation's.
God's definition of a day can be found in Genesis
quote:
Genesis 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
God called the period of light 'day'.
God called the period of darkness 'night'.
God called the light period ending with evening and the following morning which ended the dark period 'day one'. There is no first in the Hebrew text.
Conclusion:
Day one included a light period and a dark period.
The second day had a morning and an evening followed by the ending of the dark period with the morning of the third day.
kofh writes:
The word could mean an Age or even half a day, depending.
Not according to God unless you had a very long light period followed by a very long dark period.
kofh writes:
Hence if we assume that the 24 hour Earth Day did not exist when the creation story begins, it is fair to infer the duration could be eons long if our context suggsest this to be the case:
You can make all the assumptions your mind desires to make. That does not make your assumption correct.
God defined a day as a light period or a light period and dark period.
kofh writes:
3) We find the "seven historical durations" marked in the rocks by various events which record the History of the Earth.
You find a lot of ages in the rocks as the Earth is very, very, very, very old. How old? I believe it has existed for an infinite eternity in some form.
kofh writes:
But we read in Genesis about the same events, occurring in the same sequence and time frame but referred to as days.
Genesis 1:2 through Genesis 2:3 does not even talk about creation.
Creation takes place in Genesis 1:1 and the history of that light period which ended at Genesis 1:2 is found in Genesis 2:4 and the following verses, through Genesis 4:24.
kofh writes:
Gen. 1:9 And (Father Nature, the first cause), God, said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, (Panthalassa), and let (Pangea/Rodinia), the dry land appear: (composed of the Seven Large Tectonic Plates):
quote:
1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
I don't see any mention of 'Father Nature', or the Seven Large Tectonic Plates. I do see where all the dry land was in one place, call it what ever you want. The plates were there but they were not mentioned.
God Bless,

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Message 18 of 310 (682359)
12-01-2012 5:25 PM
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12-01-2012 11:16 AM


Day's length
Hi kofh,
kofh writes:
2) But we also can refer to the scripture that tells us that a day is like a thousand years to god.
You could read the scripture also.
quote:
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
One day as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. Sounds like Peter is saying God is not limited by time as He is not subject to time being and infinite eternal God.
Peter is not saying one day is a thousand years.
Neither is he saying one thousand years is a day.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 19 of 310 (682363)
12-01-2012 6:12 PM
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12-01-2012 5:25 PM


Re: Day's length
You could read the scripture also.
Yep.
It sounds like the Bible writers made sure that we would have scriptural authority to take such a liberty as to entertain a day to God that is not an Earth day.
Clearly, Genesis used a literary technique in the way it unfolds the story such that ancient people would relate to what actually is an almost unbelievable truth about Evolution.
This verse would have been a very nice interjection just o we could found this kind of interpretation and rest it upon the authority of sola scripture.
Assuming that Theistic Evolution has merit, this verse is very convenient in this Age, when knowledge abounds and men run to and fro.
But of course it also can be found in the Psalms, too.
What I like about understanding the day of the Lord, or the seven days of God as long durations is that with such a cravat, Genesis becomes literally scientifically correct.
I like to read the Bible as 100% factually true.

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Message 20 of 310 (682365)
12-01-2012 6:15 PM
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12-01-2012 11:22 AM


Re: You don't even read your own sources do you?
Sorry but your idea is just bullshit.
Ok, then you are not open to this idea.
Please stay out of the thread since you have already made your decision for God based upon this very first difference of opinion between us.
Thank you for participating.

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Message 21 of 310 (682366)
12-01-2012 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by NoNukes
12-01-2012 12:07 PM


Numerology is always lame. But in this case what you are insisting on is that the numbers are more important than even the words in the Bible. And in my opinion, you need to provide some reason for that to be true before anyone ought to consider what you say.
You might have a point.
Start a thread on that and I will discuss the off topic issue while you muddle thru Genesis 1 with me here.

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Message 22 of 310 (682367)
12-01-2012 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by kofh2u
12-01-2012 6:15 PM


Re: You don't even read your own sources do you?
Sorry but you don't get to decide who can or cannot comment.
Your own source said "a day (24 hour period) as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1"
Genesis 1 uses exactly that phrase and I posted the content of Genesis 1 for you since it seemed you had never read it. I'll post it again for you in case you didn't read it yet.
quote:
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Note each period is defined by an evening and a morning, a 24 hour day.
You are free to post your bullshit but I will continue to point out when you post nonsense.
Unlike you, I take the Bible and Christianity seriously.

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Message 23 of 310 (682368)
12-01-2012 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by NoNukes
12-01-2012 12:10 PM


Re: Seven, the hard way...
[qs] [/qd]
1)Right.
The verse said:
Gen. 1:9 And (Father Nature, the first cause), God, said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, (Panthalassa), and let (Pangea/Rodinia), the dry land appear: (composed of the Seven Large Tectonic Plates):
2) See how important reading com0rehension is when one starts with a psychological pre-set mind?
You missed the statement that there are seven LARGE plates.
This is why Bible readers in different Ages have found Genesis plausible even when they midunderstood it.
They basically already knew the general story because of the paradigm within which they lived.
So they would never have realized that the whole 4th "day" of the creation was directed are creating an Earth Clock by assigning the Sun to the Sloar Clock, the Moon to be time keeper of the Calendar, and the stars for maintaining the accuracy of Sidereal Time.
3) The whole 4th day was entirely devoted to the establishment of Earth Time.
This is so inordinately unusual in this otherwise step-by-step unfolding that we can assume it is done intentionally to explains the seven "days" are NOT earth days.

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Message 24 of 310 (682370)
12-01-2012 6:37 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by kofh2u
12-01-2012 6:31 PM


Re: Seven, the hard way...
Please point out where Genesis 1 says (Father Nature, the first cause) or (Panthalassa) or (Pangea/Rodinia) or (composed of the Seven Large Tectonic Plates).
In case you have not read Genesis 1, here it is.
quote:
Genesis 1
King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Please show where the claims you made are in Genesis 1 or stop posting falsehoods.

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Message 25 of 310 (682371)
12-01-2012 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Panda
12-01-2012 12:31 PM


Re: Selective learning
You appear to have forgotten to include several other eras.
Planck Era
Grand unification Era
Electroweak Era
Matter domination Era
Recombination Era
So - that brings the number of eras to at least 12.
And I am sure that there are more...
They were not forgotten, but the particular source chosen from those available subjectively grouped them as seven major events as the Chart I used illustrated.
I am using the opportunity to chose those classifications that duplicate the favorite numbers of the bible whenever I have such an opportunity.
But seven does appear inordinately often in Science anyway, so we will see that the parallel is perhaps a usful educational and mnemonic device.
Here is a totally different source which likewise uses this division of the Big Bang Beginning into seven major events:

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Message 26 of 310 (682380)
12-01-2012 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by jar
12-01-2012 6:26 PM


Re: You don't even read your own sources do you?
Your own source said "a day (24 hour period) as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1"
1) Oh,...
OK.
Stay on but don't hammer your dissent repetitiously after i have told why I understand things to be interpreted idifferently than you do, and i will not criticize you again and again for what i believe is a foolish mistake on your part.
2) Yes, Strong tells us to use the context in order to determine whether yowm means an earth day or some other duration, like an Era.
I agree with his suggestion but differ with him in that the context of the whole firat chapter specifically tells us the seven days were different because there was no Solar Clock until the 4th duration.
3) If the 4th duration had already been a 24 hour unit of time, the whole of Gen 1:14-19 would be unnecessary information.
That God made the Sun the authority over Earth Time on that separate event makes it clear to me.
I also find the unusual description of a day as represented as an "evening and morning" a hint that these seven days are somewhat important things to reconsider.

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Message 27 of 310 (682381)
12-01-2012 7:25 PM
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12-01-2012 6:31 PM


Re: Seven, the hard way...
How could day four be the creation of an Earth clock if it corresponds to an age when neither the sun or the solar system existed.
in this otherwise step-by-step unfolding
Surely you are not suggesting that day four is the only step out of chronilogical order. How did plants exist before there were even galaxies.
And the Bible says nothing about tectonic plates. Those are your words.

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Message 28 of 310 (682382)
12-01-2012 7:25 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by jar
12-01-2012 6:37 PM


Re: Seven, the hard way...
Please point out where Genesis 1 says (Father Nature, the first cause) or (Panthalassa) or (Pangea/Rodinia) or (composed of the Seven Large Tectonic Plates).
In case you have not read Genesis 1, here it is.
?
What Genesis says is separated from myown parenthetical interjections in the grammatically correct fashion of bracketing explanations within the context of its passages.
The reader can clearly understand what Genesis says and where explanations and commentary are sourced elsewhere.
Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.

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Message 29 of 310 (682383)
12-01-2012 7:26 PM
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12-01-2012 7:21 PM


Re: You don't even read your own sources do you?
But the authors of Genesis 1 had no clue what caused the periods of light or darkness as is pointed out in Genesis 1. Have you every read Genesis 1?
The Sun and Moon were simply to rule day and night, not cause day and night. They were just lights in the sky. The author of Genesis 1 simply didn't have a clue what caused light and even thought that the moon was a "light", yet another indication that no one should think of Genesis 1 as being factual or in any way a "science' text.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin left out a "t"

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Message 30 of 310 (682384)
12-01-2012 7:30 PM
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12-01-2012 7:25 PM


Re: Seven, the hard way...
So you admit that Geneswis 1 does not say what you claim. In fact Genesis 1 never even implies that all the land was gathered into one place.
Have you ever read Genesis?
quote:
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
Note it is the waters that get gathered together, not land.

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