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I just got in.
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Admin Director Posts: 13140 From: EvC Forum Joined: |
Seems to be working - suggest (in this order):
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3987 Joined: |
Is this new thread Message 1 legitimate? I don't see any question posed. Legitimate? Probably not. But I thought that it truly needed to be isolated into it's own topic. Although, in hindsight, I shouldn't have put it into the "Dates and Dating" forum. NO REPLIES TO THIS MESSAGE IN THIS TOPIC. ANY DISCUSSION SHOULD GO TO THE General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures (aka 'The Whine List') TOPIC. By the way, the Crashfrog and whomever was also taking part discussion (upthread) really shouldn't have happened in this topic. Bad, very bad. AdminnemooseusOr something like that.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3987 Joined:
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I've lost track of what the topic in question is, and Cavediver didn't give a link. Anyway...
Cavediver writes: Why do we put up with this idiot? Moose has just closed a perfectly respectable, topical, and interesting thread (and I don't blame Moose) because it has been trolled by FEY, and others simply can't help feeding the troll. We're not remedial school, we're not here to handhold some angsty teenager through pubescence, and I don't see why discussion and debate should be curtailed because of one immature poster. And this has nothing at all to do with that twit jeering everyone in sight, resulting in me losing my perfect 10 score. Not at all. Doesn't bother me one bit. Nope. Did I mention it was 10 before he starting being a twat? First of all, I don't normally give "Cheers" to messages from the admin mode ID, but I felt Cavediver made a good moderation issue point - "...and others simply can't help feeding the troll.". It's pretty hard for an individual to cause major topic problems without the support of others, be it "feeding the troll" or just blindly "chasing the off-topic" (these may be one and the same). Self moderation by members would be VERY helpful. Foreveryoung has the burden of being of the minority perspective side. If that wasn't tough enough, he also has publicly admitted to having very significant psychological problems. Thus, I am bending over backwards to try to make this place a beneficial experience for him (aka - not banning him permanently).
Dr Adequate, in response to Cavediver, in message 57, writes: Because he has a spark of intelligence and morality in him. Deep down inside him, I believe, there is a good and sane person fighting to get out. I fully agree (OSLT).
Huntard, in response to Cavediver, in message 59, writes: Quite. You know what would've been a perfectly viable solution? Asking him to stop posting to that thread. Problem would've resolved itself within 10 messages after the request, and we could've had a reasonable discussion about the glory of a true European Union / World Government. I think.... An even more immediate solution would have been for others not to post responses (which, since FEY was off-topic, were also off-topic). Sometimes I just want to find the problem message and the chain of responses to that message, and suspend everyone involved.
Problem would've resolved itself within 10 messages after the request,... I wouldn't bet on it, even if FEY did stop posting. Others could well carry on without his input. A similar problem is the various other members also chasing kofh2u's "doesn't belong in the topic material". ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THIS MATTER MUST GO TO THE General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures (aka 'The Whine List') TOPIC. AdminnemooseusOr something like that.
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Panda Member (Idle past 4031 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
morningstar2008 is having communication issues...
Message 341 Message 214 "There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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I don't think he is having difficulties. I think he is posting exactly what he intends to post. It's time for a warning shot across the bow.
NoNukes from the high seas.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined:
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To be fair to him, he still makes more sense than most creationists.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined:
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How long do you we have to put up with this guy posting crap that does nothing but muddy up the threads. He contributes NOTHING.
Message 416 Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4083 Joined: Member Rating: 7.9
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...go a bit too far over the line.
Crashfrog Since I wasn't ever talking about fucking children, I'm just wondering which kids Panda wants to fuck. He'll have to tell me; fucking children isn't my thing. Whatever works for him, though. The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it. - Francis Bacon "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds ofvariously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." Barash, David 1995.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1785 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
...go a bit too far over the line. Oh, come on. This is plainly "Mom, Crash hit me back!"-type complaining. I didn't make a personal attack; I asked Panda to clarify his non sequitur:
Crash writes: Who cares, though? What good is it to reduce one category of deaths at the expense of a greater increase in others? Again, gratz on the guns or whatever, but if more people were murdered in aggregate, what the fuck was it worth? I don't think society has a vested interest in shifting how people are murdered. Can you explain why you think it does?
Panda writes: Fuck those kids, right?
Crash writes: Which kids? I don't follow.
Vimsey writes: Seriously ?
Crash writes: Yeah, which ones. There's a context for my remarks, here, and it didn't involve children, so unspecified "kids" are a non sequitur I don't understand. Since I wasn't ever talking about fucking children, I'm just wondering which kids Panda wants to fuck. I guess I could have phrased it better, but I was just trying to get Panda to explain his non sequitur about fucking children. Can anybody explain to me how that's in-context or on-topic? Should I have not been surprised, or something, that Panda responded to a question about the social utility in displacing one kind of homicide to another by saying "fuck those kids, right?"
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Panda Member (Idle past 4031 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Message 366
Panda writes: Crashfrog writes:
Wrong. We are trying to reduce gun crime even further. But, nobody's getting killed with a gun! Well, except about fifty people every year. But fuck those guys, right?Perhaps you should try to. It might have saved those children. But you want your toys, so fuck those kids, right? Crashfrog writes:
As usual, your arguments are more projection than fact. Since I wasn't ever talking about fucking children, I'm just wondering which kids Panda wants to fuck. He'll have to tell me; fucking children isn't my thing. Whatever works for him, though. Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1785 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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That post isn't even in the chain of replies, nor did I see it. If your remark "fuck those kids" had been a reference to an earlier post, why didn't you just say so? And again how is "fuck those kids" anything but a non sequitur in a chain of conversation where the context was not about children?
Look, at this time I'd like to register my discontent yet again with how my opponents, in the gun control thread, are being allowed to misrepresent my arguments. Panda and Theodoric are deliberately misrepresenting my support for the claims I'm making as being intended to support other claims, and then they're using the fact that my evidence doesn't support those claims to suggest that I'm not supporting my claims. But, honestly, it's so complex a feint that I don't suppose any of the admins will even be able to see it. Doubtless they'll once again bend over backwards to interpret everyone's remarks with an absurd degree of charity, except for mine.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4083 Joined: Member Rating: 7.9 |
Right. You're being persecuted. You totally didn't accuse a poster of being a pedophile in the classic tradition of "exactly when did you stop beating your wife."
Just shut up and let the admins make their call.The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it. - Francis Bacon "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds ofvariously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." Barash, David 1995.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1785 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
You totally didn't accuse a poster of being a pedophile in the classic tradition of "exactly when did you stop beating your wife." Again, I asked for clarification of a complete non-sequitur comment. That's pretty clear from the chain of conversation. Your attempt to portray it as a serious accusation of pedophilia is a misrepresentation.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
Your attempt to portray it as a serious accusation of pedophilia is a misrepresentation. Nobody thinks its a serious claim. It is just plain vile and reprehensible. More importantly uncalled for and not acceptable in a civil debate. Grow up.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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