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Message 7 of 16 (683684)
12-12-2012 2:32 PM

Reply to: Message 1 by sunshaker
12-12-2012 11:56 AM

Incorrect

sunshaker writes:

HELIUM      2
NEON        2,8
ARGON       2,8,8
KRYPTON     2,8,18,8
XENON       2,8,18,8,8
RADON       2,8,18,32,18,8
UNUNOCTIUM  2,8,18,32,32,18,8
8           2,8,18,32,32,18,18,8
9           2,8,18,18,32,32,18,18,8
10          2,8,8,18,18,32,32,18,18,8
11          2,8,8,18,18,32,32,18,18,8,8
12          2,8,8,18,18,32,32,18,18,8,8,2

XENON is wrong.
It is 2, 8, 18, 18, 8

Where did the extra '18' come from in '8', '9', '10', '11' and '12'?

Where did the extra '8's come from in '9', '10', '11' and '12'?

And your extrapolation is wrong.
To extend the pattern as you are trying to do, it would look like:

RADON       2,8,18,32,18,8
UNUNOCTIUM  2,8,18,32,32,18,8
8           2,8,18,32,32,32,18,8
9           2,8,18,32,32,32,32,18,8
10          2,8,18,32,32,32,32,32,18,8
11          2,8,18,32,32,32,32,32,32,18,8
12          2,8,18,32,32,32,32,32,32,32,18,8

So, using your logic, there is no limit to the number of possible nobel gases.

13          2,8,18,32,32,32,32,32,32,32,32,18,8
14          2,8,18,32,32,32,32,32,32,32,32,32,18,8
15          2,8,18,32,32,32,32,32,32,32,32,32,32,18,8
16          2,8,18,32,32,32,32,32,32,32,32,32,32,32,18,8

But your extrapolation is based solely on Radon and Ununoctium.
It could just as easily be:

RADON       2,8,18,32,18,8
UNUNOCTIUM  2,8,18,32,32,18,8
8           2,8,18,32,50,32,18,8
9           2,8,18,32,50,50,32,18,8
10          2,8,18,32,50,72,50,32,18,8

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Message 9 of 16 (683690)
12-12-2012 2:58 PM

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12-12-2012 2:49 PM

Re: Incorrect

sunshaker writes:

No you cannot continue passed 12.

Why not?

sunshaker writes:

Where do you get your 50s 72s from,?

The same place the 32s came from.
It is a simple incremental progression.

sunshaker writes:

12 completes, you cannot just make numbers up.

But you did:

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Where did the extra '18' come from in '8', '9', '10', '11' and '12'?
Where did the extra '8's come from in '9', '10', '11' and '12'?

sunshaker writes:

THESE NUMBERS ARE NOT MADE UP, THEY ARE PART OF THE SEQUENCE.

Then where did your extra numbers come from?

Your sequence is faulty.
I showed that in some detail.

sunshaker writes:

The sequence ends at 12.

Yes, your faulty sequence ends at 12.
But other valid sequences continue passed 12.

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Message 12 of 16 (683722)
12-12-2012 5:31 PM

Reply to: Message 10 by sunshaker
12-12-2012 5:25 PM

Re: Incorrect

sunshaker writes:

If you also notice that these elements holds all together,
Two electrons at each a point of a triangle that contains all.

Since you are unable to answer any questions or justify your claims, I see little point in continuing.

I second Theodoric's response: pitiful.

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