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saab93f Member (Idle past 1416 days) Posts: 265 From: Finland Joined:
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Is it completely impossible for you to comprehend the not-so-subtle differences in gun-related killings between the UK and the US?
The latter has a bit over 4 times the population but 600 times the gun-related deaths. No matter how you try to insult your way around those numbers you are not successful.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3735 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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Faith writes:
Yeah - we should be trying to free a man who is not in prison. I think all you UK leftists ought to dedicate yourselves to freeing that poor man Tony Martin who is wrongfully sitting in jail.I think you USA rightists should try to get at least one thing right. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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vimesey Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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Faith, it's been pointed out to you twice now that the statistics in question include the crime of illegal possession of a firearm. If a ban on firearm ownership is introduced, then any statistics which include the new crime of illegally possessing a firearm will peak for a while after the new laws are introduced and enforced by the police. Surely you can see that ?
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
Crash writes: . . . the UK, Norway, and Sweden - which, like almost anywhere in Europe, have a higher rate of crime (particularly violent crime) than the United States - . . . Drone writes: "... a higher rate of crime . . . than the United States"? "...(particularly violent crime)..."? "N o r w a y"!? Crash writes: Yeah, Dronester. Believe it or not, I know things you don't know. In fact, a lot of people do. Chuckle. Crash, if you knew more than me than you would have simply showed me evidence that NORWAY has a HIGHER VIOLENT CRIME RATE than the USA. Do you wanna show your sheer ignorance a second time? Norwegian evidence please.
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
That's fine. I don't mind your confusion. If you would like I'd be happy to try to explain sometime although it will be a rather boring discussion I fear.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1305 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
it will be a rather boring discussion
why would you change the habit of a lifetime?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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Faith, it's been pointed out to you twice now that the statistics in question include the crime of illegal possession of a firearm. You act like that makes it ok. You can hardly make something legal a crime and then just wave it away when that increases the crime rate. You have to eat your vegetables on this; you can't just say "well, that kind of crime doesn't count."
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Hi Faith,
The important point is that if no one had guns, no one's life would have been at risk. --Percy
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
The important point is that if no one had guns, no one's life would have been at risk. I can't tell if this is your usual sarcasm or not, but you need to understand that saying things like this is why you get accused of holding viewpoints you find ridiculous - the viewpoints you say you hold are often ridiculous.
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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The important point is that if no one had guns, no one's life would have been at risk. Really? Or do you mean "no one's life would have been at risk from guns?"Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
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Edited by NoNukes, : No need to dogpile.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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vimesey Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
Crash, the recent debate with Faith has been about whether the firearm ban in the UK was followed by an increase or decrease in violent crimes/murders using guns. Faith was claiming an increase, by pointing at data which include non-violent crimes. The data have to be relevant - they cannot include irrelevant elements.
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Panda Member (Idle past 3735 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Crashfrog writes:
It does. You act like that makes it ok. Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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Look, Panda, I get it; you're as proud of your country as I am of mine.
But you need to stop and consider. Maybe your conviction that I'm irrationally ignoring evidence out of nationalistic fervor - and let's be honest, that's what you believe - is actually your excuse for you to irrationally ignore evidence out of nationalistic fervor. Suppose it were really the case that, in the UK, you're more likely to suffer violence at the hands of a home invader than in the US. (It actually is, but I know you don't yet believe that, so just suppose for a moment that it is.) Is that something you'd be prepared to believe, or would national pride force you conclude that something was wrong with the stats?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9144 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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When I had an FFL(Federal Firearms License) my biggest competition was not other gun stores it was the guys selling stuff out of their houses and cars. Some of these guys were unlicensed but most had FFL's. There is no requirement that a FFL holder have a storefront. Basically these guys are unregulated.
The only basic requirement for selling a gun is to have a form filled out and to keep that record. Nothing ever is done with it unless there is a gun trace.Here is the pertinent line from the ATF themselves. quote: The records for purchase stay with the license holder. There is no requirement for a backup copy anywhere. If the copies are destroyed there is no other record. I have seen purchasers taking possession of 20 assault type weapons and basically there is no oversight. I have reason to believe that they were purchased to be resold to inner city gangs. This was in 1989 or so. I was not the seller. They were sold out of the trunk of a car at a bar and the seller was an FFL license holder. There were multiple names and addresses used by the person taking possession. When a trace is done on any of these the FFL holder will affirm he saw an ID for each purchase. This was one of the things that made me rethink selling guns. We do not even have basic controls on these things. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. |
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